Caproni Ariete

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 12:30am

Caproni Ariete

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Function: Light Bomber / Heavy Fighter
Year: 1939 Crew: 2 Engines: 2 * 1350hp Alfa-Romeo 135 RC.40
Wing Span: 18.8m Length: 15.0m Height: 4.46m Wing Area: 48sq m
Weight: 8400kg
Speed: 1050km/h at 10000m Ceiling: 14000m
Range: 3000km
Armament: 4x20mm IFS in forward fuselage, 4000kg bombs internally

Have to say, there's no way that plane is going that fast, and I've doubts about both the altitude capability and the payload. The weight looks rather like a slightly lighter version of the CANT Z.1018, but that plane carried nowhere close to 4000 kg of bombs.

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TexanCowboy

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 2:12am

And I'm not sure that 8,000+ pounds of bombs is "light".

Nonetheless, I don't think that there's a way with those engines and that payload to get over 700 miles per hour.

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BruceDuncan

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 2:25am

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
And I'm not sure that 8,000+ pounds of bombs is "light".

Nonetheless, I don't think that there's a way with those engines and that payload to get over 700 miles per hour.

I would have to agree. With a straight wing, I would hate to think what the design's limiting mach number would be.

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Desertfox

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 4:31am

No way that planes goes supersonic (well very high transonic: M 0.97), at least with the wings attached...

Mach 0.8 (~540 mph/860 kph) is about as fast as you want to go with straight wings. Unless you use really short thin wings (ala X-1/F-104).

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Rooijen10

Mr. Valentines Day

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 4:38pm

Looks more like a pair of jet engines to me.

I would assume that the Alfa-Romeo 135 RC.40 on the Ariete is the same as on the Astore, Scorpione, BR.23, Maestrale and Occhione, but the power on them is given as 1700 hp and on the Ariete they're rated at 1350hp. I expect it to have a similar speed as the Astore, etc. at ~550 km/h.

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Red Admiral

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 6:17pm

I don't really see the issue. Historical plane, historical time, historical engines, historical stats.

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BruceDuncan

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:05pm

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
I don't really see the issue. Historical plane, historical time, historical engines, historical stats.

Just out of curiosity, which historical plane?

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Rooijen10

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:11pm

As I see it , the Ariete carries more and is bigger than the Astore. Therefore it is heavier than the Astore. Astore has two 1700 hp engines and reaches 550 km/h and the Ariete has two 1350 hp engines and reaches 1050 km/h. Seems very unlikely to me that that is possible. That's faster than the record of the Me-209 at this time in OTL (756 km/h). That's pretty much faster than any piston powered plane in history.

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Red Admiral

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:12pm

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Just out of curiosity, which historical plane?

Unfortunately no one knows the name or designation but it's one of Campini's projects from 1940

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Brockpaine

The Shadow

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:45pm

This news just in. Bulgaria deploys new 800mph biplane fighter interceptor with deHavilland Gipsy-Six engines, 12,000nmi range, VTOL takeoff, climb of 8000 feet per minute, and 12x30mm Vulcan chain guns.

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Desertfox

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:49pm

Unfortunately Mexico is stuck with older technology.

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perdedor99

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:50pm

Well, it that plane is accepted it pretty much makes all plane obsolete. I guess India will release their new fighter planes capable of flying 900 km/h a year ahead of schedule. Based on historical paper designs from the 1940's.

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Rooijen10

Mr. Valentines Day

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 7:59pm

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Unfortunately no one knows the name or designation but it's one of Campini's projects from 1940

A project... on paper? Considering that it was war in 1940, the given speed is most likely just a propaganda figure.

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Unfortunately Mexico is stuck with older technology.

Same goes for Japan.

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Brockpaine

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 8:03pm

Oh dear, not Yukikaze...

Yeah, I'm rather having difficulty believing that this is a serious design. Maybe speed of 600khm, with 1000kg of bombs.

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Red Admiral

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 8:09pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Yeah, I'm rather having difficulty believing that this is a serious design. Maybe speed of 600khm, with 1000kg of bombs.

It's a lot more reasonable than some.

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Brockpaine

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Monday, May 17th 2010, 8:10pm

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Yeah, I'm rather having difficulty believing that this is a serious design. Maybe speed of 600khm, with 1000kg of bombs.

It's a lot more reasonable than some.