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Wednesday, April 23rd 2008, 3:05am

Burijas Request for Proposal

This is a request for proposal for 2 Burijas class Escorts. The following requirements must be fulfilled:

Range: at least 7500nm
Speed at least 34 kts
Light displacment no more than 3000 tons
Main guns either 130 mm or 150mm BL

If torpedoes are part of the design they must use the standard Persian 24" Torpedo


The following firms has already shown interest:

Persian naval Yards, Burijas I [NA]
HDW, Burijas II
Mexico, Burijas III
R.Sy. Durban, Burijas IV
R.Sy. Durban, Burijas V

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Apr 25th 2008, 3:32am)


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Wednesday, April 23rd 2008, 3:09am

HDW's entry:

Darius, Persian Destroyer Leader laid down 1933

Displacement:
2,858 t light; 2,981 t standard; 3,288 t normal; 3,534 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
483.15 ft / 465.88 ft x 44.29 ft x 13.94 ft (normal load)
147.26 m / 142.00 m x 13.50 m x 4.25 m

Armament:
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 1933 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1933 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 662 lbs / 300 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 60,758 shp / 45,325 Kw = 36.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 11.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 553 tons

Complement:
216 - 282

Cost:
£1.874 million / $7.496 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 85 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 74 tons, 2.3 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 61 tons, 1.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,607 tons, 48.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,022 tons, 31.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 430 tons, 13.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
872 lbs / 395 Kg = 8.5 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.07 ft / 8.25 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Mid (45 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m (13.94 ft / 4.25 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Stern: 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Average freeboard: 17.42 ft / 5.31 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 179.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.6 %
Waterplane Area: 13,182 Square feet or 1,225 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 75 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 216 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.23
- Overall: 0.54
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

10 tons reserved for depth charges and rails

60 tons reserved for mines and growth

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Wednesday, April 23rd 2008, 5:44am

Lion, Mexico/Persia Heavy Destroyer laid down 1938

Displacement:
2,203 t light; 2,317 t standard; 2,812 t normal; 3,208 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
390.00 ft / 390.00 ft x 37.00 ft x 15.50 ft (normal load)
118.87 m / 118.87 m x 11.28 m x 4.72 m

Armament:
10 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (5x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.41kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
Main guns limited to end-on fire
4 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (1x4 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline amidships, all raised guns - superfiring
16 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 680 lbs / 308 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 48,793 shp / 36,399 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 891 tons

Complement:
192 - 250

Cost:
£1.804 million / $7.215 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 85 tons, 3.0 %
Armour: 25 tons, 0.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 25 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,225 tons, 43.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 818 tons, 29.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 609 tons, 21.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
795 lbs / 361 Kg = 11.9 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 13.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.440
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.61 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (17 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 16.34 ft / 4.98 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 165.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 75.1 %
Waterplane Area: 9,483 Square feet or 881 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 82 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 43 lbs/sq ft or 208 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.51
- Longitudinal: 1.94
- Overall: 0.58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Wednesday, April 23rd 2008, 11:42pm

The Persian Entry


Picture by Gravina

E-1v5, Persia Escort laid down 1937

Displacement:
2 741 t light; 2 931 t standard; 3 201 t normal; 3 417 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
412,92 ft / 410,11 ft x 37,73 ft (Bulges 39,37 ft) x 15,42 ft (normal load)
125,86 m / 125,00 m x 11,50 m (Bulges 12,00 m) x 4,70 m

Armament:
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x3 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
40 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns (10x4 guns), 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 714 lbs / 324 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300
12 - 24,0" / 609,6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 1,97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,57" / 40 mm -
3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 3,15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 51 991 shp / 38 785 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 9 000nm at 11,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 486 tons

Complement:
212 - 276

Cost:
£1,951 million / $7,803 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 89 tons, 2,8 %
Armour: 272 tons, 8,5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 108 tons, 3,4 %
- Armour Deck: 149 tons, 4,7 %
- Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0,5 %
Machinery: 1 334 tons, 41,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 945 tons, 29,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 460 tons, 14,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 3,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
885 lbs / 401 Kg = 8,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,00
Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m
Roll period: 15,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,92
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,42 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 16,93 ft / 5,16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 45,6 %
Waterplane Area: 10 252 Square feet or 952 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 220 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,51
- Longitudinal: 1,81
- Overall: 0,58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Apr 24th 2008, 4:56pm)


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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 10:15am

COOL DRAWING!


The Royal shipyards in Durban offer variants of either the Fenris or the Diana classes that feature the gun and torpedo calibers requested.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 10:32am

The drawing is very nice.

The forward 75mm mounts seem very cramped though.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 11:47am

Great Drawing. Unfortunately, i can't make drawings like this one. Perhaps Gravina would also draw chinese vessels ? ;)

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 11:58am

Btw, when looking at the picture more closely I noticed your side mounted torpedo tubes.

Well, the beam of your ship is only 11,5m but you´re using 24" TTs which are most likely about 8 to 9 meters long, their tubes a bit longer. So even if mounting the turntables at the very edge of that ships deck you will need about 5meters inboard to actually turn those tubes. With two such sets on either side that leaves you only 1 to 2 meter(s) of space between those launchers. That´s not very much room for your funnel uptakes or aft superstructure.... :o(

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 12:51pm

to tell the truth I didnt think about the TTs, I was just happy to have gotten a nice picture since I suck at drawing ships

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 1:26pm

Tried to modify the drawing, but again I suck at this


(Original drawing Gravina, modification by me)

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Apr 24th 2008, 2:35pm)


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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 1:45pm

A powerful little ship.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 3:10pm

Quoted

Originally posted by parador
Great Drawing. Unfortunately, i can't make drawings like this one. Perhaps Gravina would also draw chinese vessels ? ;)


He has expressed his willingness but that it may take a bit of time to fulfill requests

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 4:44pm

On the Persian version, you have triple 6" with moderately armored gun houses using mount and hoist mounts. That's a great deal of weight not to have a turret and barbette mount. I think it was over on a Siamese ship the same issue came up, but that was for twin turrets. It seems there were historic mount and hoist twins- such as on the Omaha class, but with very light armor, while other twins were turrets.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 4:57pm

Modified design posted

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 5:10pm

One other thing- just glancing at other cruisers, I am a little worried about the internal beam. Konigsberg was a triple 6, and had 15.3m, there were several twins about that etc.
Perhaps you can find a IJN or other vessel to serve as precedent for the 11m internal beam, don't have the tme to poke about more right now.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 5:53pm

Did a quick look but couldn't find anything. Konigsberg's probably the narrowest you can find.


VERSION A


Test, Persia CL laid down 1936

Displacement:
2,967 t light; 3,140 t standard; 3,614 t normal; 3,994 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
511.30 ft / 495.00 ft x 44.00 ft x 14.52 ft (normal load)
155.84 m / 150.88 m x 13.41 m x 4.43 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.41kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
12 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.57lbs / 0.26kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.09lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1930 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 577 lbs / 262 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300
15 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56,038 shp / 41,804 Kw = 35.00 kts
Range 7,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 854 tons

Complement:
232 - 302

Cost:
£1.990 million / $7.958 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 72 tons, 2.0%
Armour: 63 tons, 1.7%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 63 tons, 1.7%
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 1,523 tons, 42.1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,039 tons, 28.7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 647 tons, 17.9%
Miscellaneous weights: 270 tons, 7.5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,182 lbs / 536 Kg = 17.6 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 12.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 11.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20.15 ft / 6.14 m
- Mid (60%): 20.15 ft / 6.14 m (12.15 ft / 3.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 12.15 ft / 3.70 m
- Stern: 12.15 ft / 3.70 m
- Average freeboard: 17.46 ft / 5.32 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161.1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 74.1%
Waterplane Area: 13,913 Square feet or 1,293 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 205 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 0.54
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



VERSION B

Test, Persia CL laid down 1936

Displacement:
2,996 t light; 3,121 t standard; 3,614 t normal; 4,009 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
511.30 ft / 495.00 ft x 44.00 ft x 14.52 ft (normal load)
155.84 m / 150.88 m x 13.41 m x 4.43 m

Armament:
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
12 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.57lbs / 0.26kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.09lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1930 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 452 lbs / 205 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
15 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 54,158 shp / 40,402 Kw = 34.70 kts
Range 7,800nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 887 tons

Complement:
232 - 302

Cost:
£1.900 million / $7.599 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 56 tons, 1.6%
Armour: 135 tons, 3.7%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 135 tons, 3.7%
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 1,488 tons, 41.2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,038 tons, 28.7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 618 tons, 17.1%
Miscellaneous weights: 280 tons, 7.7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,276 lbs / 579 Kg = 12.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 11.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20.15 ft / 6.14 m
- Mid (60%): 20.15 ft / 6.14 m (12.15 ft / 3.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 12.15 ft / 3.70 m
- Stern: 12.15 ft / 3.70 m
- Average freeboard: 17.46 ft / 5.32 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 153.9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 74.1%
Waterplane Area: 13,913 Square feet or 1,293 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 205 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.04
- Overall: 0.54
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Rooijen10" (Apr 24th 2008, 5:55pm)


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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 6:05pm

Both of those would be weak-hulled, the breakpoint for the 0.50 strength is 3,000 tons STANDARD displacement.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 6:19pm

As far as I know, we were supposed to deal with LIGHT and not STANDARD displacements when it comes to the HS rules.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 6:22pm

I'd submit that all of these designs are overkill for general-purpose escort functions - especially given your limited ability to repair ships larger than 120 m.

I'd be curious if the gang can put 3x2 130mm, eight fish, 34 knots, and the required range on a 120 m long hull of not more than 2,000 t light.

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Thursday, April 24th 2008, 6:23pm

Actually, none of the hull strength rules (from the Design Rules for Gentlemen) are light displacement, they're all standard displacement. Here's a copy of them:

Point 1: Hull strength.
a) Relative composite hull strength should not drop below 1.00 except for the light fast combattants (<6000 tons standard; >24kn)
b) Relative cross-sectional hull strength of light fast combattants of 0-3,000 tons standard should not drop below 0.5
c) In general, light fast combattants of 3,0001-4,500 tons standard can have a minimum relative composite hull strength of 0.75 as long as it does not cross the limit as given in point 1b.
d) In general, light fast combattants between 4500 tons and 6000 tons standard can have a minimum relative composite hull strength of 0.9