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With due respect to the Persian ambassador, the threat of cut of is NOT toothless, however, it is the response that the League will get if only Poland is occupied and not Lithuania as well. If Lithuania cannot control its own people, then its sovereignty as a nation is questionable. However Romania welcomes the support from the Persian delegate for a peaceful resolution, something we have wished for all along, and which cannot be said of other nations such as ATLANTIS

OOC well you did propose the end to hostilities, and I think we all have to agree on this proposal, so until everyone agrees, the League is at a deadlock.

OOC: perhaps if the Romanians decide to refrain from focusing on the FAR objections and recognise that other nations are pissed at Poland too, we might get some agreement.

IC: Thomas Krithia scoffed at the Romanian ambassadors toothless threats of war, yet refrained from retorting on the matter. "Thats a matter for the generals to mull over" he thought to himself knowing full well the weak possition the Romanians were in.

"We agree with the Persian ambassador, an imediate ceasefire along with complete withdrawel by Polish forces is seen as a nessassary first step to resolving a crisis, to which Romania is more concerned about further inflaming with continued accusations and hollow threats rather than solving.

Now returning to the relevant issues, we agree to the Persian 6 point preposal

1. Immediate ceasefire

2. Authorizing a LoN Task Force that excludes FAR and PRJ nations, and I must make note of the fact that the point of exclusion was an Atlantean preposal for the sake of our Romanian counterpart.

3. Withdrawal of all foreign troops in Lithuania

4. Peace talks to begin as soon as the cease fire is in effect

5. The Wilno Republic to be under LoN administration for the duration of the talks

6. The Wilno repblic forces to put their arms under LoN control for the duration of the talks

Given the lack of co-operation from Romania and Poland we feel that once these goals have been achieved we can then investigate the events leading up to the Wilno insurection and take apropriate steps to punish the relevant party's. We see no reason to punish the Lithuanians any further given the fact that they broke no agreements by defending their homeland from the lawless internal agression instigated by one nation and sanctioned by another.

Now if the Romanians are no longer intent on stalling this discussion perhaps we may be able to vote on this preposal?

India needs clarification of point two of the proposal. Will Lon troops stationed in both countries? Are going to be imposed limits in the Polish military?

OOC: must likely it will be around the 15th-16th of July in WW time by now.

"Bulgaria seconds the Atlantean motion to vote on the Persian Proposal."

Romania has already given its approval towards the 6 point Persian proposal. It has also mentioned its willingness to provide non-interventionary support to the LoN Task Force, comprising all the oil it needs as well as free passage to Bulgarian, Turkish, or Greek units wishing to particpate in the LoN Task Force, as well as 10000 army blankets to be distributed to the refugees. Votes yes.

Regarding the threat of oil sanctions against LoN members, it reaffirms that such actions would only take place if it sees and unjust occupation of Poland, and it replies that Atlantis started this whole debate on guilt by declaring the Poles to be at fault while remaining blind to the Lithuanians disregard for for peaceful compromise.

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However, the acceptance of the Wilno Republic of a peaceful resolution, and the aggression of the Lithuanians proves that no matter who started this, when it comes to a peaceful compromise, the Lithuanians are both aggressors and instigators in this matter and should be held in equal guilt with the Poles.!!!

FM Laval replies:

"It is an interesting form of aggression which takes place entirely within the 'aggressors' borders, in response to, as far as the LoN knows, an armed rebellion that has no justification whatever.

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Should you continue in this matter of Polish aggression, and try to force a League occupation of Poland you may be handed a declaration of WAR!!!

"My communications with my Russian counterpart Litvinov indicate that the Russian government considers the Polish invasion of Lithuania exactly that, to which they are responding with commendable restraint. So if my Romanian colleague is under the impression that the Russian government fears war with Poland, he should disabuse himself of that erroneous notion immediately."

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Originally posted by perdedor99
India needs clarification of point two of the proposal. Will Lon troops stationed in both countries? Are going to be imposed limits in the Polish military?

OOC: must likely it will be around the 15th-16th of July in WW time by now.

The Persian intentions was to have LoN troops only in the so called Vilno Republic but that is up to the LoN to decide

Romania replies that until such time as the league proves that Poland was in the wrong it will continue to defend it so further arguement is unnecessary at this time. Should nations discontinue with their hostile comments aimed at Poland and Romania, then Romania will quit responding, and aggravating tensions further. It waits for the rest of the nations present to vote aye, or nay on the Persian proposal, and notes it is the first to vote aye, confirming its wish for peaceful resolution.

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Originally posted by perdedor99
India needs clarification of point two of the proposal. Will Lon troops stationed in both countries? Are going to be imposed limits in the Polish military?

OOC: must likely it will be around the 15th-16th of July in WW time by now.

I disagree, this discussion in the league would not go on for that long. Its the 14th at the very latest.

Staatssecretaris of Foreign Affairs, Frank Reuter, Netherlands delegate :

The Netherlands votes against the Persian proposal, as currently presented. (1) All invading foreign troops should be withdrawn and Lithuania allowed to place it's house in order.

Gaston François Marie, Viscount Eyskens, Belgian delegate :

Belgium votes yes, we feel this is the best outcome at this time. (2)

Baron Édouard de Blochausen, Luxembourgian delegate :

Luxembourg votes yes.

(1) Really more a matter of precedent than anything else. French intervention in 1831 allowed Belgium to break away, and there is potential for similar "intervention" to cause problems in SE Asia.
(2) Belgium and Luxembourg concerns are far more along the lines of the principle it not being acceptable for large countries to either invade or intervene in the internal affairs of small countries adjacent.

OOC: I must say, I find Rumania's position quite odd. She is very vulnerable to exactly the same situation in Transylvania, and the Hungarians most certainly want their land back.

Also, I'm now happier that I ran out of time to do my August-Sept-Nov news last weekend

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by perdedor99
India needs clarification of point two of the proposal. Will Lon troops stationed in both countries? Are going to be imposed limits in the Polish military?

OOC: must likely it will be around the 15th-16th of July in WW time by now.

I disagree, this discussion in the league would not go on for that long. Its the 14th at the very latest.

I disagree. No ambassador make this decisions before consulting with their home countries. In 1935 this takes most likley the use of telegraph or radio thru secure channels. That will take time to decipher, take to the authorities that made policy, put in code again and delivered to the representatives in the League. That takes time (hours and maybe more), India to Geneva for example. 16th of July seems to me like a generous date for it. In real life we should have real world before the League could even decide to vote on the matter.

OOC reply to Kaiser Kirk go read my news post.

We've already progressed 3 days from the Polish attack into Lithuania. I think thats a wee bit fast. Also Ambassadors are given a certain amount of leeway in what they can accept and what they cannot so only in extreme cercumstances would they need to contact their governmenmts. Most of the debating has been fingerpointing anyway....

OOC, I'm surprised we haven't seen the post "The Russian 1st through 92nd Infantry Divisions crossed the border into Poland today to support Lithuania..." followed by "PRJ declares war" then "FAR declares war"...

OOC Romania would probably hang Poland out to dry in that case unless they cross my border as well, despite the "big talk"

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
OOC Romania would probably hang Poland out to dry in that case unless they cross my border as well, despite the "big talk"

OOC: probably a good idea on Romania's part. If FAR was fighting the PRJ, Bulgaria would be in a very touchy situation for awhile. If I felt like playing a dangerous game, I'd invite in the Atlantean and Byzantine armies to join me on Romania's southern and Yugoslavia's eastern border, and mine the Black Sea coast of Romania... realistically I doubt I could survive long as a neutral due to my position. And against FAR, the PRJ doesn't really stand a chance without German or Italian support... hello WWII! This is why Bulgaria is lobbying hard to rein in the Lithuanian dispute before the alliances get put into play. Even though she'd be on the most likely winning side, which would get her the most profit, Bulgaria would still get bombed, marched over, and sunk into war debt.

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
OOC Romania would probably hang Poland out to dry in that case unless they cross my border as well, despite the "big talk"

Ah safe and sane.

Question- since the Little Entente treaty between the Czechs, Rumanians and Yugoslavians was in force in 1920-21, it should exist in Wesworld? Did France, as historic, make deals with each country? Or did she forego that due to a viable Russia?

Edit : Answered my own question by actually *gasp* reading... France signed the deals in 1924, 26, 27 OTL, well into WW timeline, so no.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
OOC Romania would probably hang Poland out to dry in that case unless they cross my border as well, despite the "big talk"

Ah safe and sane.

Question- since the Little Entente treaty between the Czechs, Rumanians and Yugoslavians was in force in 1920-21, it should exist in Wesworld? Did France, as historic, make deals with each country? Or did she forego that due to a viable Russia?

Kirk answered himself.

OOC thats exactly what im thinking. Romania's not going to get in a two front war thats potenially suicidal, unless Germany, Italy, and SATSUMA all decide to keep FAR busy, and somehow I don't see that happening. PRJ is strong against a minor power (like you Brock), but against ANY great power is almost guarnteed to lose. And if the Russians invade Poland, and I do nothing (which I plan to do), and then declare war on me I can go crying to the LoN for "unprovoked Russian aggression."