WesWorld

Using bulges has its advantages and disadvantages, Hooman. If you add them, you gain HS, but at the cost of reducing the beam for all your stuff to fit. So don't forget to check if your main belt still covers the magazines and engineering spaces if you add the bulges and lengthen them when necessary. Also I noticed that by adding bulges, torpedo resistance goes down. So you can reduce armor, but I would keep the torpedo bulkhead as it is.
I would have to check at home if bulges have any other effect on the design.

Barbet armor always costs you a lot ... :o(

Don't forget to keep an eye on stability when increasing barbette thickness.

Another - minor - point is..... I don´t like bulges. :o/ Doesn´t look that elegant to me.... ;o)

I don't go for bulges myself because I think they are ugly. They reduce the amount of deck needed to armour, but then you have less space for your stuff to fit on.

Hooman, read the treaty again, you are unable to lay down replacements for ships until 1931. There was a 10 year no-building limit for all navies, but those with ships older than 1910 were able to lay 2 replacement hulls before 1931.

Aha so that is where the HS points are coming from. Looking at it now, that does seem logical.

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There was a 10 year no-building limit for all navies

Was but not any more. If I am not mistaken, Nations that are not yet at their limit can lay down BBs before 1931 (like me). Also if you lose a BB, you can immediately start building a replacement before 1931 (like France)

Back to business again: Walter inspired me to work on my design again using bulges. RA raised a valid point too, as the CT in fact does not allow me to lay down any replacements before 1931. The two ships allowed because I retained vessels build before 1911 are OPHION and HYPERION. Anyway, below is the result of what I have now.

Modifications are

- change of date (1931)
- using adequate shell weights
- use of bulges
- increase in stability and of seakeeping
- increase in range (higher average speed)
- increase of barbet armor (now 380mm)
- deeper and thicker torpedo bulkhead (incresed underwater protection)
- increase of misc weight

Personally I think the design reached a point where it probably doesn´t make much sense to spend more time on it, trying to find another 10mm of armor somewhere or squeeze even more misc weight into her hull.

Thanks for your input.

HoOmAn

Design 29N, South African Battleship laid down 1931

Displacement:
37.596 t light; 39.685 t standard; 43.780 t normal; 47.056 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
817,03 ft / 797,24 ft x 91,86 ft (Bulges 104,99 ft) x 30,51 ft (normal load)
249,03 m / 243,00 m x 28,00 m (Bulges 32,00 m) x 9,30 m

Armament:
9 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.818,81lbs / 825,00kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
9 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3x3 guns), 101,41lbs / 46,00kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35,27lbs / 16,00kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (6 mounts), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
24 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (4x6 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17.884 lbs / 8.112 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15,7" / 400 mm 452,43 ft / 137,90 m 14,44 ft / 4,40 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 87% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1,77" / 45 mm 452,43 ft / 137,90 m 29,53 ft / 9,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,7" / 400 mm 12,6" / 320 mm 15,0" / 380 mm
2nd: 3,94" / 100 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
4th: 0,59" / 15 mm - -
5th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5,91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 14,96" / 380 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 140.750 shp / 105.000 Kw = 29,18 kts
Range 8.600nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7.371 tons

Complement:
1.513 - 1.967

Cost:
£15,918 million / $63,671 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.075 tons, 4,7%
Armour: 15.157 tons, 34,6%
- Belts: 4.463 tons, 10,2%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 876 tons, 2,0%
- Armament: 3.566 tons, 8,1%
- Armour Deck: 5.852 tons, 13,4%
- Conning Tower: 400 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 4.209 tons, 9,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.055 tons, 36,7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.184 tons, 14,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
54.994 lbs / 24.945 Kg = 32,8 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 8,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 20,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,600
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28,24 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,75 ft / 7,85 m
- Forecastle (22%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Mid (50%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Stern: 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Average freeboard: 20,52 ft / 6,25 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135,0%
Waterplane Area: 53.565 Square feet or 4.976 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 202 lbs/sq ft or 987 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,99
- Longitudinal: 1,00
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

A pretty good design...
... when can we expect a photo of this vessel? :-)

Italian artist's impression.

PS. The ship is under the waves.

You're suggesting that it is a submarine/battleship?! O_O

Either that or the artist has a very low opinion of their naval architecture! (sorry, misconstrued the picture as one of an Italian not SA warship.)

Or South Africans in general perhaps.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral


Italian artist's impression.

PS. The ship is under the waves.

Artists should never be used to predict the outcome of a battle.

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Artists should never be used to predict the outcome of a battle.

What about using Feng Shui principles to array your forces before battle?

Cheers,

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Or South Africans in general perhaps.

or their cunning camouflage schemes.

Cheers,

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Originally posted by alt_naval

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Artists should never be used to predict the outcome of a battle.

What about using Feng Shui principles to array your forces before battle?

Cheers,

I'm more partial to Sun Tzu, who focus's on "the art of war" rather than just "art" or "form".

A small force
Obstinately fighting
Will be captured
By a larger force

This calls for some PC related Haiku ; )

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A file that big?
It might be very useful.
But now it is gone.
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The Web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
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Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.
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ABORTED effort:
Close all that you have.
You ask way too much.
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Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.
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First snow, then silence.
This thousand dollar screen dies
so beautifully.
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With searching comes loss
and the presence of absence:
- "My Novel" not found.
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The Tao that is seen
Is not the true Tao, until
You bring fresh toner.
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Windows NT crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.
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Stay the patient course.
Of little worth is your ire
- the network is down
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A crash reduces
your expensive computer
to a simple stone.
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Three things are certain:
Death, taxes, and lost data
- guess which has occurred.
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You step in the stream,
but the water has moved on.
This page is not here.
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Having been erased,
The document you're seeking
Must now be re-typed.
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Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen, mind - both are blank.

Scary thing is...I've been in this little haiku poem of yours.....loosing data is not new to me!