WesWorld

What do the German members of our sim think of this pic?

Hmmm.... While her upper works seem okay you really, really have to work on her hull form and bows.

Try http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Moltke-linedrw.jpg for more input.

Btw, why not using a line drawing of the original ship anyway?

There are easily enough sources on the web to get decent drawings, paintings and photos...

I can't see the pic, though given your past work I imagine it's pretty good.

I'm with Hooman - where possible, I'm saving myself the trouble and using historical pics.

Thanks Hoo, I have limited top veiw pictures of Yavuz which resulted in the hull form looking the way it does.

Ok I have updated the picture and added lifeboats.

That raises an interesting question - by WW2, you didn't find lifeboats on capital ships anymore. I assume the reasoning was the ships operated in groups, so other ships could pick up survivors (Indianapolis being the tragic exception)?

BTW, she isn't "Yavuz Sultan Selim". She was Sultan Selim; the Sultan's nickname, Yavuz ("Grim" IIRC), was naturally applied and eventually became her actual name - just Yavuz.

You are correct Swampy, I just used the name as a generic title for the ship. She will be refered to as the Sultan Selim in news reports though.

Actually, Swamphen, ship's boats aren't exactly in the "Lifeboat" category. They perform a number of duties, not the lest of which is connecting the ship to the shore in areas without developed piers, quays or harbor facilities. Also, in crowded harbors, where a ship cannot tie up at a quay because of space, they do the same. There were usually rowed and powered ships boats, powered could be gasoline, diesel or steam powered.

In the RN, with the rise of carriers and the numerous use of US built escort carriers, the removal of aircraft form capital ships saw the former catapult area returned to ship's boats. With numerous bases, ships boats were an important part of any RN ship.

If you look at the original designs of Iowa, North Carolina and South Dakota, even Montana you see they still have ship's boats as part of the design.

North Carolina and Washington actually took theirs to sea. That's why they have the cranes abreast of their after funnel. Here's a pic of Washington. If you can make them out, they are in the mess between the after 5" turret and the after 16" turret.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n20000/n24148.jpg

And here's a builder's model of Montana, with the ship's boats clearly visible between the funnels:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h44000/h44529.jpg

They were abandoned in WWII because of the priority to have AA guns. That's why you see the rise of the mats and floats tied to nearly every verticle surface, while ships boats gave way to guns.

On a final note, when the Iowas were taken in hand to be modifed for service in the 80's, the ship's boat's rails were found underneath where the 40mm gun tubs were placed.


Regards,

Big Rich

http://photo.starnet.ru/Thematic_Wallpap…/Goeben-14b.htm

I think that the hull form is still wrong.

Seems fine to me.

Not bad, Naval Intelligence has assessed that step under the bow is too big for a torpedo tube so it must be for launching minisubs - or some sort of new drive system ; )

So is she a match for two of these?


Any truth in the rumor that for the pleasure of the crew, her 'Goat Locker' contains real goats?

AIGF.

Cheers,

Roger,

I´m sure you made your beautiful drawing above within short time but screws and shafts in red? The aftermost AA guns also need correction - or at least the deck around them. On the top view these searchlight platforms in front of her last funnel doesn´t seem right as the edge of that deck below is cutting right trough them. I also wonder how the boats abreast her forward funnels will be lifted and lowered and the boats on her boatdeck aft seem to be hanging in the air (side view)...

Just my usual "good morning" rant... ;o)

Regards and keep it coming,

HoOmAn

I don't think there are many ships that could stand toe to toe with those two BC's. Could Yavuz stand toe to toe with two of these?



Could either of the Greek BC's stand toe to toe in a 2 on 1 match with Repulse and Renown?

At this point it becomes a likely soft kill or mission kill for a ship that can resist the shells of its attackers in a 2 on 1 match.

By the way Roger do you have the original pic of the Azaes class handy? You seem to have the only picture of her at the moment!

Red Admiral was kind enough to send it.



Cheers,

PS. I moved the superstructure 28 ft forward to ballance the ship. It would be interesting how they would sim in springstyle2.

That was the second version of her, and yes she still needed work! All three copy's I had were lost along with my hard drive so version 4 will be on its way soon.