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Wednesday, June 10th 2020, 12:43am

Greek competition for AT guns

The greek army needs Anti-tank guns. (I need one too but are quite illegal :( ). Since a complete upgrade of the army in one year would make the greek economy die the gun would have been bought from 1943 to 1948. 1946-7 being the more likely years. The characteristics of the guns are open but the weight and ease of transportation are important factors..

Other anti-tank armament can be presented although since 1948 the greek army has been using the Carl Gustav.

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Wednesday, June 10th 2020, 1:04am

Can you give an idea of the calibre of weapon that you are seeking? It would help narrow down the options to present to you.

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Wednesday, June 10th 2020, 1:27am

Of course. More or less from the good old 75mm up to 100mm

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Wednesday, June 10th 2020, 2:07am

France and Russia can offer two options at both ends of the scale.

For a 75mm gun, Schneider et cie can offer the following:

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Canon de 75mm L/53 TAZ Mle1939 (Schneider)
(TAZ = triflèche tous azimuts)
Caliber: 75x518R mm
Barrel length: 4000 mm (3250 mm rifling)
Weight: 2090 kg
Rate of fire: 20 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 700 m/s
Traverse: 360°
Elevation: 40°
Maximum range: 13000 m
Penetration: 80mm at 1000m (HE), 145mm at 1000m (AP)


While Russia might propose the following:

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100 mm field gun M1944 (BS-3)
Caliber: 100x695R mm
Barrel length: 5340 mm
Weight: 3,650 kg
Rate of fire: 8-10 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 900 m/s
Traverse: 58°
Elevation: -5° to 45°
Maximum range: 20000 m
Penetration: 170mm at 1000m (APBC)


The 75mm TAZ is available in 1939, while the BS-3 enters production in 1944.

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Wednesday, June 10th 2020, 3:04am

Both Germany and Yugoslavia are in a position to offer several alternatives to Greece

From Germany -

7,5 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 40 - details can be found here.

This is the OTL Pak 40, and was produced in large numbers. It is being replaced and is available as refurbished surplus.

8cm leichte Panzerabwehrkanone 45

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Weight: 640 kg
Length: 2950mm
Crew: 6
Calibre: 81.4mm
Breech: Vertical block
Recoil: Hydro-pneumatic
Carriage: Split trail
Elevation: -6° to +32°
Traverse: 55°
Muzzle velocity: 520 m/s
Effective firing range (antitank): 750 metres
Maximum firing range (high explosive): 6,200 metres

Munitions:

8cm W Gr Patr H1(hollow-charge anti-tank) - Projectile weight 2.7 kg, armor penetration 140mm/vertical
8cm W Gr Patr 5071 (high explosive) - Projectile weight 4.46 kg

Note: This is a smooth-bore weapon


Full details may be found here.


Yugoslavia can offer -

M40 75mm Divisional Gun

This is a dual purpose antitank and field gun, also supplied to Romania.

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Calibre: 75 mm
Overall length: 5.45 m
Width: 1.82 m
Height: 1.55 m
Barrel length: 3635 mm
Rifling length: 2501 mm
Elevation: -7° to +35°
Traverse: 70°
Weight in action: 1430 kg
Shell weight (HE): 6.8 kg
Shell weight (AP): 6.6 kg
Muzzle velocity: 1030 m/s
Armour penetration: 100 mm at 1000 m
Max range: 12000 m
Crew: 7


Further details may be found here.

M41Antitank Rocket Launcher

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Calibre: 88mm
Length: 1638mm
Weight: 10.5 kg
Rocket Weight: 3.27 kg
Range: 200 metres
Armour Penetration: 200mm at 0 degrees


Further details can be found here.

M48 Recoilless Gun

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Weight: 186 kg
Calibre: 82 mm
Length: 3.1 metres
Height: 0.95 metres
Muzzle velocity: 388 m/sec
Maximum range: 4,500 metres
Effective firing range: 1,200 metres
Elevation: -20 to +25 degrees
Rate of fire: 4 rounds per minute
Ammunition: High explosive anti-tank, High Explosive, Smoke


Further details can be found here.

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Friday, June 12th 2020, 9:51pm

The greek army is happy of adopt the yugoslavian M40. Could be possible to adopt it on 1946?

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Friday, June 12th 2020, 11:06pm

The greek army is happy of adopt the yugoslavian M40. Could be possible to adopt it on 1946?


Absolutely!

Happy to have done business with you. :)