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Tuesday, January 7th 2020, 11:44pm

Hunter Class Destroyer

This was a big problem. This was the first time I use the block coefficient. So I don't know if this is a destroyer or the most expensive and immobile submarine in history.



Hunter Class, Destroyer laid down 1923


Displacement:
1.526 t light; 1.569 t standard; 1.665 t normal; 1.743 t full load


Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
350,46 ft / 344,49 ft x 28,22 ft x 12,47 ft (normal load)
106,82 m / 105,00 m x 8,60 m x 3,80 m


Armament:
3 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 0,99" / 25,1 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0,49lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1923 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 107 lbs / 48 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes


Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,55" / 14 mm -
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
4th: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -


- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm


Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 45.725 shp / 34.111 Kw = 34,20 kts
Range 3.200nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 174 tons


Complement:
129 - 169


Cost:
£0,581 million / $2,323 million


Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 13 tons, 0,8 %
Armour: 157 tons, 9,4 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 13 tons, 0,8 %
- Armour Deck: 139 tons, 8,4 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 964 tons, 57,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 391 tons, 23,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 139 tons, 8,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1 tons, 0,1 %


Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
355 lbs / 161 Kg = 11,1 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,53
Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 9,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 48 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,12
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01


Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,481
Length to Beam Ratio: 12,21 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 14,27 ft / 4,35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward


Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93,5 %
Waterplane Area: 6.366 Square feet or 591 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 50 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 128 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,44
- Longitudinal: 1,95
- Overall: 0,51
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Wednesday, January 8th 2020, 8:33pm

First and foremost I think you can adjust the Length to beam ratio to somethin closer to 10 to 1, anything over has a negative effect on structural strength in springsharp. Try adding 2 feet to the beam. You can also change the Block Coefficient to something like .430.

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Wednesday, January 8th 2020, 11:15pm

Okay, then. I couldn't took the a beam to 10,5 but I go as close as a could.


Hunter Class, Destroyer laid down 1923

Displacement:
1.497 t light; 1.539 t standard; 1.635 t normal; 1.711 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
350,46 ft / 344,49 ft x 30,18 ft x 12,80 ft (normal load)
106,82 m / 105,00 m x 9,20 m x 3,90 m

Armament:
3 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 0,99" / 25,1 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0,49lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1923 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 107 lbs / 48 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,55" / 14 mm -
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
4th: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 43.194 shp / 32.223 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 3.200nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 172 tons

Complement:
128 - 167

Cost:
£0,563 million / $2,251 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 13 tons, 0,8 %
Armour: 160 tons, 9,8 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 13 tons, 0,8 %
- Armour Deck: 143 tons, 8,7 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 927 tons, 56,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 395 tons, 24,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 138 tons, 8,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1 tons, 0,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
376 lbs / 170 Kg = 11,7 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,56
Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 9,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,430
Length to Beam Ratio: 11,41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 14,27 ft / 4,35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99,1 %
Waterplane Area: 6.529 Square feet or 607 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 52 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 133 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,44
- Longitudinal: 1,88
- Overall: 0,51
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Thursday, January 9th 2020, 1:00am

You should also just eliminate the armoured deck. It's accounting for 143 tons of your total ship. Destroyers (of almost any era, with very few exceptions) tend to be constructed with no armour outside of their gun turrets and sometimes conning towers. On occasion, the building materials might be heavier (for instance, using... say, 0.75 inch hull plates rather than 0.50 inch hull plates) but that really doesn't count as armour proper.

You might want to start fiddling with the stability / steadiness slider. Your stability of 1.56 is fairly high, but the steadiness of 50 is only average. I usually try to get 70 steadiness and 1.10 stability. Once I've got the 70 steadiness (if I can manage it), the rest I'll account to stability.

One final comment. I see you used electric motors for power transmission. That's fairly unique (although I have used it in many of my ships); geared drives cover probably 95% of the market post 1910ish.

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Thursday, January 9th 2020, 3:43am

I must have misclicked, it was pretend to have geared drives, I sorry about that mistake. I never took the steadiness in consideration so I never used it. Was interesting to say the least.


Hunter Class, Destroyer laid down 1923

Displacement:
1.472 t light; 1.522 t standard; 1.617 t normal; 1.693 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
351,65 ft / 344,49 ft x 29,86 ft x 12,80 ft (normal load)
107,18 m / 105,00 m x 9,10 m x 3,90 m

Armament:
6 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns (3x2 guns), 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority forward
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1923 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 0,99" / 25,1 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0,49lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1923 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 203 lbs / 92 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
4th: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -

- Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 44.467 shp / 33.172 Kw = 34,30 kts
Range 3.200nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 171 tons

Complement:
126 - 165

Cost:
£0,592 million / $2,367 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 25 tons, 1,6 %
Armour: 26 tons, 1,6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 22 tons, 1,3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 933 tons, 57,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 472 tons, 29,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 145 tons, 9,0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 0,9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
345 lbs / 157 Kg = 10,8 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m
Roll period: 11,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,430
Length to Beam Ratio: 11,54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 14,53 ft / 4,43 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 199,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62,9 %
Waterplane Area: 6.458 Square feet or 600 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 50 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 156 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,51
- Longitudinal: 2,41
- Overall: 0,59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform