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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Conclusions; not as good as the 200t smaller Navigatori class Italy just laid down.
- 4x125mm vs. 6x130mm guns
- 34knts vs. 34.5knts++
- 4000nm@15 vs. 3000nm@15knts
- Navigatori is bound to be better looking
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Regarding your old vessels which are to be replaced by those new destroyers make sure you take care of article K Ic of the Cleito Treaty. So no replacement of your Type 1918+ DDs until 1930...
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You know, building 12 DDs per year is quite an aggressive building program. Won´t this make the NL loose ground regarding cruisers etc. compared to other powers (Japan for example)?
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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
One concern - by essentially building your entire DD allotment in ~6 years, you've got a bit of a block obsolesence issue coming later on. No continuity for destroyer design after 1931 either - they'll be back drawing sloops or aircraft carriers and forget what they learned about destroyers.
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Okay, two concerns then - at 2000 t, you'll reach your 96,000 limit with 48 destroyers - not 58 as you noted.
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It won't make any sense that in such a situation I came up with a 35knot destroyer with six 130mm guns...a design, on the other hand, that I have done sucessfully in SS2.
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Regarding your old vessels which are to be replaced by those new destroyers make sure you take care of article K Ic of the Cleito Treaty. So no replacement of your Type 1918+ DDs until 1930...
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I’m wondering how the torpedo boats folks are building are fitting into the Cleito treaty? I’m guessing they are under the unrestricted G(I)(a) <600 ton category. While torps & speed are listed as a no-no for the G(I)(b) category, the smaller vessels don’t have that limitation. I just want to clarify before finding out that they count against my destroyer tonnage or somesuch.
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1. Did I miss something?
2. Are the excess destroyers ok if I count them against cruiser tonnage? I see nothing in the Cleito treaty that would prevent them being subcategory (b) cruisers?
3. Should I go back and redesign the 1919-1920 Z44 class to be subcategory (b) destroyers?
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So, between 1926 and 1931 a total of 58 destroyers will be commisioned (8 Z45s, and 50 Z53s in different batches) for a total of 96000 tons, filling the CT tonnage given to Netherlands for destroyers.
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