Filipino Projects 1938

Sage

Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 1:45pm

Philippines will lay down two new ships in 1938. With the completion of the light cruisers and the payment of the Mindanao funds were available for more construction. The decision was to built two more capital ship.

First will be this one:

Aguinaldo, Philippines Battlecruiser, laid down 1938

Displacement:
24,000 t light; 25,236 t standard; 27,235 t normal; 28,834 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
752.63 ft / 750.00 ft x 80.00 ft (Bulges 91.20 ft) x 26.50 ft (normal load)
229.40 m / 228.60 m x 24.38 m (Bulges 27.80 m) x 8.08 m

Armament:
3 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (1x3 guns), 999.81lbs / 453.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline forward
4 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (2x2 guns), 999.81lbs / 453.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount
16 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (8x2 guns), 46.40lbs / 21.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
32 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 7,783 lbs / 3,530 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 487.50 ft / 148.59 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 11.0" / 280 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 11.02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 128,474 shp / 95,842 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,598 tons

Complement:
1,059 - 1,378

Cost:
£12.117 million / $48.466 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 973 tons, 3.6 %
Armour: 8,439 tons, 31.0 %
- Belts: 2,956 tons, 10.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,546 tons, 5.7 %
- Armour Deck: 3,723 tons, 13.7 %
- Conning Tower: 215 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,518 tons, 12.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,870 tons, 39.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,235 tons, 11.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39,878 lbs / 18,088 Kg = 39.9 x 12.6 " / 320 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 17.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.526
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.10 ft / 9.17 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.00 ft / 6.70 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.7 %
Waterplane Area: 42,600 Square feet or 3,958 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 818 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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perdedor99

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 1:47pm

Second ship:

Bonifacio, Philippine Pocket Battleship laid down 1938

Displacement:
17,675 t light; 18,655 t standard; 19,914 t normal; 20,920 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 85.30 ft (Bulges 91.86 ft) x 25.43 ft (normal load)
170.00 m / 170.00 m x 26.00 m (Bulges 28.00 m) x 7.75 m

Armament:
6 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (2x3 guns), 999.81lbs / 453.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (2x2 guns), 46.40lbs / 21.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (6x2 guns), 46.40lbs / 21.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
36 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (3x12 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6,788 lbs / 3,079 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 314.96 ft / 96.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 362.53 ft / 110.50 m 23.10 ft / 7.04 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.18" / 30 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm

- Armour deck: 4.45" / 113 mm, Conning tower: 11.02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 70,194 shp / 52,365 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 12.00 kts
(Range 7,500nm at 15.00 kts)
Bunker at max displacement = 2,265 tons

Complement:
837 - 1,089

Cost:
£9.021 million / $36.084 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 849 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 6,733 tons, 33.8 %
- Belts: 2,046 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 488 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 1,220 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 2,804 tons, 14.1 %
- Conning Tower: 174 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,922 tons, 9.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,971 tons, 40.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,239 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
34,562 lbs / 15,677 Kg = 34.6 x 12.6 " / 320 mm shells or 6.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.535
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.07 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.02 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.40 ft / 8.35 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.58 ft / 4.75 m (22.97 ft / 7.00 m before break)
- Stern: 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
- Average freeboard: 22.66 ft / 6.91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181.0 %
Waterplane Area: 34,074 Square feet or 3,166 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 786 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.14
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 2:02pm

Have to say that I'd buy another Mindanao-class ship instead of Aguinaldo. I'm not fond of the gun layout, and the lack of a torpedo bulkhead seems an expensive mistake.

Bonifacio, on the other hand, is something that I like. Yes, she's small, yes, she's going to be beaten by any modern BB. But she's big enough and her guns are MORE than big enough to scare any cruiser or supercruiser, so as long as she can avoid getting tangled up with BBs she'll do fine.

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perdedor99

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 3:32pm

Both ships are using Doria turrets with rebored guns. I could I go with a more conventional layout but where is the fun on that.

Forgot to add; thanks to Brock for the designs.

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 4:10pm

I can always add a TDS on Aguinaldo.

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perdedor99

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 4:22pm

Go for it. Let's see how it looks.

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, April 21st 2009, 4:38pm

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Aguinaldo, Philippino Battlecruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
24,970 t light; 26,227 t standard; 28,273 t normal; 29,910 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
752.63 ft / 750.00 ft x 80.00 ft (Bulges 91.20 ft) x 26.50 ft (normal load)
229.40 m / 228.60 m x 24.38 m (Bulges 27.80 m) x 8.08 m

Armament:
3 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (1x3 guns), 999.81lbs / 453.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline forward
4 - 12.60" / 320 mm guns (2x2 guns), 999.81lbs / 453.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (8x2 guns), 46.40lbs / 21.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
32 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 7,783 lbs / 3,530 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 487.50 ft / 148.59 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 487.50 ft / 148.59 m 25.43 ft / 7.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 11.0" / 280 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 11.02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 132,778 shp / 99,052 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,683 tons

Complement:
1,089 - 1,417

Cost:
£12.401 million / $49.604 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 973 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 9,232 tons, 32.7 %
- Belts: 2,958 tons, 10.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 722 tons, 2.6 %
- Armament: 1,535 tons, 5.4 %
- Armour Deck: 3,795 tons, 13.4 %
- Conning Tower: 220 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,636 tons, 12.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,930 tons, 38.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,303 tons, 11.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41,681 lbs / 18,906 Kg = 41.7 x 12.6 " / 320 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 17.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.546
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.10 ft / 9.17 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.00 ft / 6.70 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.3 %
Waterplane Area: 43,424 Square feet or 4,034 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 810 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.20
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Adds 970 tons to previous proposal.

And for the record, I would have preferred the triple and one twin forward, and the second twin aft. I have a version which has that layout, and there's really no difference between the two.

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perdedor99

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Thursday, April 23rd 2009, 2:33pm

Thanks Brock for the SIM. Three to nine of them could be built between 1938 and 1939. Need escorts for the new ships coming on-line. The problem I see is to get crews I maybe have to get rid of the oldest of the escort cruisers and the oldest torpedo boats.

Improved Piquero, Philippino Destroyer laid down 1938

Displacement:
1,638 t light; 1,716 t standard; 1,877 t normal; 2,006 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
371.60 ft / 360.89 ft x 36.09 ft x 12.30 ft (normal load)
113.26 m / 110.00 m x 11.00 m x 3.75 m

Armament:
6 - 4.53" / 115 mm guns (3x2 guns), 46.40lbs / 21.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on side amidships, all raised guns
8 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 282 lbs / 128 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
8 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.59" / 15 mm 0.59" / 15 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
4th: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 37,308 shp / 27,832 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 6,300nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 291 tons

Complement:
142 - 185

Cost:
£1.181 million / $4.723 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 35 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 19 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 15 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 4 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 875 tons, 46.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 649 tons, 34.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 239 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
642 lbs / 291 Kg = 13.8 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 12.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.410
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.94 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Stern: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.01 ft / 5.19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 169.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83.0 %
Waterplane Area: 8,372 Square feet or 778 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 38 lbs/sq ft or 184 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.69
- Overall: 0.59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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HoOmAn

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Thursday, April 23rd 2009, 10:33pm

Well, I have to say I don´t like any of these designs. But that´s probably because the SAE has to focus on other things.

For example the pocket BB is about the same size as the RSAN Radiance clasee but stringer in armor and firepower. However, her much higher speed offer tactical opportunities that the slower unit does not.

Second that 26k tons BB is much weaker than the RSAN Koning class which is about the same size but many decades older. Her broadside is nearly twice as heavy while vertical protection also is much better. Only in speed and deck armor she falls behind... It´s a trade off but from a newly designed ship I´d expect to get more.

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perdedor99

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Friday, April 24th 2009, 1:37pm

We went with weight saving measures. Something have to give. Using the Doria turrets we are in reality building a 23k ton battleship and a 16k ton pocket battleship. I could have used the turrets in different ways but my idea all along was to get two ships; this was the best compromise I came up with.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Friday, April 24th 2009, 2:44pm

How much are you saving by using the old turrets?

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perdedor99

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Friday, April 24th 2009, 2:48pm

1841 tons on the Aguinaldo and 1078 on the Bonifacio. Also a month is taken from the books. I would have preferred a even lighter unit for the BC but that would have being really irresponsible. :rolleyes:

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ShinRa_Inc

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 4:52am

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Originally posted by perdedor99
I could have used the turrets in different ways but my idea all along was to get two ships; this was the best compromise I came up with.

Buy a second Doria and modernize them. If you did something similar to the historical modernizations, you'd still have two triple turrets left over for a Panzershiffe or what have you.

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Vukovlad

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 9:17am

To expensive in the game

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HoOmAn

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 11:24am

Well, it also was expensive OTL....

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thesmilingassassin

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 11:46am

...and the German pocket BB's had a very short lived superiority once the French Strasbourgs came out. In Wesworld we have far more designs comparable to the French BC.

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Vukovlad

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 12:26pm

Quoted

Originally posted by HoOmAn
Well, it also was expensive OTL....

I meant its to expensive to modernize the Dorias

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Red Admiral

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 12:43pm

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Well, it also was expensive OTL....

It wasn't that bad. About 20-25% the cost of a new Littorio Class vessel. If we go on terms of tonnage as here, that means 8000-10000tons. By our rules it would cost about 19000tons which is far too much.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Thursday, May 7th 2009, 4:36pm

Heh, good explanation for the projects in the encyclopedia entry.....

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perdedor99

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Thursday, May 7th 2009, 4:52pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Heh, good explanation for the projects in the encyclopedia entry.....

Thanks. Sometimes there is something more than good sense when you make your decisions. I try to do that once on a while in this SIM; you don't always have to make the right decision all the time.

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