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Venue: TBA, Europe likely
Date: TBA, probably May 1938?
Rules:
- At least 50% of the crews of each ship must consist of young people (under 25 years old)
- Race will consist of two timed racing legs (at least 400nm in distance) separated by a cruise in company.
- Use of engines results in disqualification: ships may only race under sail.

[SIZE=3]Classifications:[/SIZE]
Class A: All vessels over 160 feet in length overall, regardless of rig, and square rigged vessels over 120 feet in length.
Class A; Division II: All square rigged vessels less than 120 feet in length.
Class B: Fore-and-aft rigged vessels between 100 feet and 160 feet in length
Class C: All other fore-and-aft rigged vessels at least 30 feet long at the waterline.

Entries are open to all monohull sailing vessels of at least 9.4 metres (30 ft).

[SIZE=3]Participants:[/SIZE]
Class A
- Chilean Barque Almirante Uribe
- Irish Ship High Adventure
- Chinese Barque Fu Chi
- Japanese Ship Tsukuba
- Polish Barque Lwow
- Polish Ship Dar Pomorza
- Brazilian Ship Benjamin Constant
- Mexican Ship Cuauhtémoc
- Argentine Ship Presidente Sarmiento
- Atlantean Frigate Alala
- British Ship-of-the-Line Implacable
- Iberian Schooner Juan Sebastian de Elcano
- Danish Ship Danmark
- Nordish Ship Statsraad Lehmkuhl
- French Ship Belle Poule
- French Ship Étoile
- German Barque Padua
Class A Division II
- Romanian Ship Mircea
- Japanese Longship Yabanjin
- British Frigate Trincomalee
- British Brigantine Shelmerston's Surprise
- Atlantean Ship Invictus
- Atlantean Snow Edna II
- Turkish Brigantine Hürrem Sultan
Class B
- Canadian Schooner Bluenose
- Irish Topsail Schooner Gallowglass
- Irish Schooner Red Hand
- British Schooner Solway Lass
- Turkish Pilot Schooner Lâle Devri
- Atlantean Two-masted Schooner White Bull
Class C
- Canadian Schooner Maple Leaf
- Bulgarian Schooner Topaz
- British Schooner Livre
- Atlantean Two-masted Schooner Flamme
- Byzantine Pilot Schooner Belisarius
- German Pilot Schooner Albatross

[SIZE=3]Course:[/SIZE]
Race Leg One: Dublin (Ireland) to Portsmouth (Britain): 400 nm
Cruise In Company: Portsmouth (Britain) to Amsterdam (The Netherlands): 330 nm
Race Leg Two:
Den Helder (Netherlands) to Oslo (Nordmark): 480 nm

[SIZE=3]Timetable:[/SIZE]
- Tall Ships gather in Dublin: May 25-May 30
- Race Leg One: Starts 0800 Hours on May 31, 1938 (Weather permitting)
- Arrival at Portsmouth: Estimated between June 2nd and June 3rd.
- Portsmouth Rendezvous: June 2nd - June 4th. Some ships may be open to the public.
- Cruise in Company: Ships leave Portsmouth at 0900 Hours on June 5th.
- Arrival at Amsterdam: ETA June 6th (afternoon or evening)
- Amsterdam Review: June 7th - June 8th. Some ships may be open to the public.
- Race Leg Two: Starts at 1200 Hours on June 9th off Den Helder (Netherlands).
- Arrival at Oslo: Estimated June 11th - June 13th.
- Oslo Review: June 12th - June 15th. Some ships may be open to the public.
- Race Award Ceremony: trophies to be presented aboard High Adventure for race winners in each category.

The timetable is generally intended to be fluid in case ships are becalmed or waylaid due to winds or storm.

[SIZE=3]Prizes:[/SIZE]
- To the winner of the Class A race: a gold cup and the right to wear the "TSR White Banner" for a year; ceremonial flagship for next year's race.
- To the winner of the Class A Division II race: a gold cup and the right to wear the "TSR Green Banner" for a year.
- To the winner of the Class B race: a gold cup and the right to wear the "TSR Red Banner" for a year.
- To the winner of the Class C race: a gold cup and the right to wear the "TSR Blue Banner" for a year.

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(Apply below with the ship name and classification; I will accept up to five entries per country. I will probably fill out the ranks with NPC "civilian" sailing ships if we don't have enough participants to make things interesting.)

Dublin will offer to host either the start or endpoint of the Race. Anyone else interested? (Nudge to Hood - it's around 400nm from Dublin to Portsmouth by sea!)

My entries:

Chilean 3-masted Barque Almirante Uribe
- Size:
--- Length: 240 ft w.l.
--- Beam: 36 ft
--- Draft: 18 ft
- Displacement: 2,500 t normal
- Crew: 229 men (115 must be under 25)
- Speed under sail: ~17 knots
- Owner: Armada de Chile

Irish 5-masted Ship High Adventure (ex Imperial Clipper)
- Size:
--- Length: 440 ft w.l.
--- Beam: 54 ft
--- Draft: 18.5 ft
- Displacement: 6,000 t normal
- Crew: 210 men (105 must be under 25)
- Speed under sail: ~18 knots
- Owner: Clipper Cruise Line (Irish registered; civilian-owned)

Irish 3-masted Topsail Schooner Gallowglass
- Size:
--- Length: 159 ft w.l.
--- Beam: 24.6 ft
--- Draft: 9.7 ft
- Displacement: 614 t normal
- Crew: 9 men (5 must be under 25)
- Speed under sail: 15 knots
- Owner: Private Irish owner

Irish 2-masted Topsail Schooner Red Hand
- Size:
--- Length: 129 ft w.l.
--- Beam: 24.3 ft
--- Draft: 12 ft
- Displacement: 235 t normal
- Crew: 36 men max (18 must be under 25)
- Speed under sail: 12-15 knots
- Owner: Private Irish owner

Bulgarian 2-masted Schooner Topaz
- Size:
--- Length: 121 ft o.a.
--- Beam: 22 ft
--- Draft: 9.5 ft
- Displacement: 195 t normal
- Crew: 9 men (5 must be under 25)
- Speed under sail: 15 knots
- Owner: Port Authority of Varna

Maybe I should throw this antique item into the Class A race.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Maybe I should throw this antique item into the Class A race.

As long as it meets the rules, it's fair game.

While the Canadian government operates no tall ships (that I'm aware of, feel free to enlighten me), there will be two Canadian entries; Schooners Bluenose and Maple Leaf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluenose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_(schooner)

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
While the Canadian government operates no tall ships (that I'm aware of, feel free to enlighten me), there will be two Canadian entries; Schooners Bluenose and Maple Leaf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluenose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_(schooner)

Hm, should we count Bluenose as a Class A, or as a Class B? It's 160.75 ft overall, but 111 feet at the waterline. I'd think she probably should be class B and all dimensions for classification done by waterline length?

Depends on where you yoinked the 160ft overall rule from; all tall ships have bowsprits (and thus, a decent difference between overall and waterline lengths). If the ruleset you were going by was judging overall lengths rather than waterline, i'd assume there's reasoning behind it.

The ruleset is the actual Cutty Sark Tall Ships Race rules; it didn't differentiate between waterline and overall length.

My entries:

Brazilian Sail Training Ship Benjamin Constant

- Size-
Length: 236ft 6in
Beam: 44ft 6in
Draft: 18ft 6in
Displacement: 2750 tons
Crew: Not sure
Speed: 15knots under steam, unsure of speed under sail.
Owner: Marinha Imperial

Polish Sail Training Ship Lwow
-Size-
Length: 219.6ft
Beam: 36.1ft
Draft: 20.5ft
Displacement: 2477 light tons
Crew: 230
Speed: 8.51 knots under steam, unsure of speed under sail.
Owner: Polska Marynarka Wojenna

Romania Sail Training Ship Mircea
-Size-
Length: 118ft
Beam: 25ft
Draft: 8.8ft
Displacement: 350tons
Crew: 210
Speed: 10 knots
Owner: Royal Marinei Române

Current ideas for course:

Race Leg One: Dublin (Ireland) to Portsmouth (Britain): 400 nm
Cruise In Company: Portsmouth (Britain) to Amsterdam (The Netherlands): 330 nm
Race Leg Two:
- Option One: Den Helder (Netherlands) to Brest (France): 500nm
- Option Two: Den Helder (Netherlands) to Oslo (Nordmark): 480 nm

Kirk, Earl, Agent? Any objections, preferences, etc? Any other host volunteers?

I can't find the actual ship Mexico had at the time, so I'll enter the current one. They should be pretty similar:



ARM Cuauhtémoc BE-01



Class and type: Barque
Displacement: 1,800 tons
Length: 220 ft 4 in (67.2 m) waterline
Beam: 39 ft 4 in (12 m)
Draft: 17.7 ft (5.4 m)
Propulsion: Sparred Length: 296.9 ft (90.5 m)
Sail Area: 25,489 sq ft (2,368 m²)
Auxiliary Propulsion: one 1,125 hp engine
Capacity: Fuel Capacity: 220 tons
Water Capacity: 110 tons
Crew: Officer and Crew Accommodations: 186
Trainee Accommodations: 90
Notes: Steel hulled vessel

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
My entries:



Polish Sail Training Ship Lwow
-Size-
Length: 219.6ft
Beam: 36.1ft
Draft: 20.5ft
Displacement: 2477 light tons
Crew: 230
Speed: 8.51 knots under steam, unsure of speed under sail.
Owner: Polska Marynarka Wojenna

Are You not sending Dar Pomorza?

I know I did post that it was entering service in 1928.

Dar Pomorza fits is Class A category.

Brock is taking care of the British entries owing to my sad lack of knowledge about sailing ships...

Argentina enters the cadet training ship Presidente Sarmiento (1897)

Dimensions; 251.4 x 43.25 x 23.25ft
2,850tons
Speed 15knt (I'm assuming with aux machinery)
No idea of crew size but will consist of cadets and instructors.

There is armament aboard but no ammunition and guns will be under tarpulin apart from some blanks for the saluting guns.

Maybe there will be some nutter who comes along with something like this.

Me? I'm not that crazy, but crazy enough to use some other old ship design.


Tsukuba 1853 Corvette (Class A)
- Size:
--- Length: 197.83 ft
--- Beam: 34.78 ft
--- Draft: 17.98 ft
- Displacement: 1,767 t normal
- Crew: 177 men
- Speed under sail: good question... *drops rope with self-made knots into the water and fumbles* uhm... 85 knots...
- Owner: Togo's Naval School



Yabanjin (*) 1932 Viking Longship Replica (Class A; Division II)
- Size:
--- Length: 90 ft
--- Beam: 17 ft
--- Draft: 2 ft
- Displacement: ?
- Crew: 80 reenactors dressed up as Vikings.
- Speed under sail: ~12 knots
- Owner: Osaka Reenactment Group


(*) 'Barbarian', 'Savage'.

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Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
My entries:



Polish Sail Training Ship Lwow
-Size-
Length: 219.6ft
Beam: 36.1ft
Draft: 20.5ft
Displacement: 2477 light tons
Crew: 230
Speed: 8.51 knots under steam, unsure of speed under sail.
Owner: Polska Marynarka Wojenna

Are You not sending Dar Pomorza?

I know I did post that it was entering service in 1928.

Dar Pomorza fits is Class A category.

I didn't see Dar Pomorza in the encyclopedia, so I presumed (probably incorrectly) that it hadn't yet replaced Lwow. But that's okay, we can include Dar Pomorza, too.

Side note: many years ago I got a book on the Cutty Sark Tall Ship Race, and the author was an American who had gotten a place aboard Dar Pomorza. I blame that book for starting my interest in old windjammers - and so Dar Pomorza is a very strong favorite of mine. I hope some day to visit her (and BByskawica).

It looks like I didnt put it in the encyclopedia,
There is only a mention that it will enter service in 1928.
I was certain I put an entry on her...bad memory I guess.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

Side note: many years ago I got a book on the Cutty Sark Tall Ship Race, and the author was an American who had gotten a place aboard Dar Pomorza. I blame that book for starting my interest in old windjammers - and so Dar Pomorza is a very strong favorite of mine. I hope some day to visit her (and BByskawica).

Before the fall of the USSR one of the Russian tallships always visited the Baltic festival , and man are those ships impressive!

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Originally posted by Vukovlad

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

Side note: many years ago I got a book on the Cutty Sark Tall Ship Race, and the author was an American who had gotten a place aboard Dar Pomorza. I blame that book for starting my interest in old windjammers - and so Dar Pomorza is a very strong favorite of mine. I hope some day to visit her (and BByskawica).

Before the fall of the USSR one of the Russian tallships always visited the Baltic festival , and man are those ships impressive!

Yes they are. Kruzenshtern in particular - that ship just looks wicked with the white stripe and all those painted "gunports".

I also like the look of those ChoreD-designed tall ships that got built for many of the former East Bloc states: the Russian Mir, Poland's Dar MBodzie|y, the Ukranian Khersones, and so forth. ChoreD is a real artist...

Dont know if the Krusenstern visited but I´ve been aboard the Sedov and Mir (and they were giving out nice little books for free from the publisher "Progress". I had to take a book about the evil interwar Baltic goverments to get my hands on Zhukov´s memoaires)

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