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Originally posted by HoOmAn
I launched a request for information on the carrier board of NavWeaps. Feedback I got could also be interesting for some of you here.
What are the smallest flight decks around on WesWorld?
To the best of my knowledge no CVE had been build yet and for all fleet CV or CVL I assume flight deck is much longer than 400ft. Right?
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HMshM was placed in reserve on 1 December 1937.[28] Her aircraft elevators were enlarged in 1939: the forward elevator to 12.8 by 8.5 meters (42 by 28 ft) and the rear elevator to 13.7 by 7 meters (45 by 23 ft).[29] On 12 August 1939 HMshM was deemed useful as a training carrier and, in critical battles, as a platform for A4N1 (Type 95) fighters and B4Y1 (Type 96) torpedo bombers, for as long as those planes remained serviceable. A later investigation determined on 23 December 1940 that she could not operate the latest aircraft types like the Mitsubishi A6M Zero, the Aichi D3A "Val", or the Nakajima B5N "Kate" in combat.[30] Also, the small size of the carrier's airgroup limited the ship's potential value to the fleet in any future conflicts.[31]
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In order to service new and larger aircraft like the Nakajima B6N "Jill" torpedo bomber and the Yokosuka D4Y "Judy" dive bomber, the flight deck was extended over 6 meters (19 ft 8 in) at each end to a total length of 180.8 meters (593 ft 2 in) from 27 March to 26 April 1944. HMshM also received new arresting gear and a new crash barrier.
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The ship was also designed to transport anywhere from 8 to 37 aircraft, depending on their size and the number of landing craft aboard. A 110.0 by 21.3 metres (361 by 70 ft) flight deck was mounted above the main deck with an elevator aft. This permitted the stored aircraft to be flown off the ship to onshore airfields. The deck was not large enough to allow aircraft to land. The ship's funnel was mounted on the starboard side and vented horizontally outward to keep the flight deck clear.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Rough guess on the Hyatt would probably be 260-270 or so. The deck is roughy 60% of the ship's length.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
I think "Ryujo" and "Hosho" became board casualties...
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
IMHO, from what I understood, everything with at least 150m (492ft) runway does not cause me any headache. Between 140m and 150m limitations have to be accepted regarding type of operation and probably type of aircraft. Things are easier if a catapult is available. Below 140m effective flight operations are seriously limited. Would you agree to this as a rule of thumb?
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Actually, my intepretation is that under 160-170m you're limited to very low wingloading planes for normal operations, the 21lbs/ft A6M seems the heaviest. Japanese practice was to build very light, low wingloading planes which is why they handled so well down low...and shredded under fire. Somewhere over 170-180m you start getting 25-35lbs/ft, which is early war planes. That would also get you into the range of the Independence class CVLs- which were a little small, but did operate TBM Avengers with a 40ish wingloading- but this may (as vague old memory serves) be a Cat-launch plane.
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The Wildcat continued to be built throughout the remainder of the war to serve on escort carriers, where larger and heavier fighters could not be used.
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My strong impression was that CVEs catapult launched most of their planes, and if the crash barrier is right behind the cat, I doubt they do simultaneous on/off operations.
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
You could be entirely correct Bruce, that's why I started my last post with a disclaimer
The first thing that popped in my head after reading your reply was "No, they can launch CAP off the bow while recovering", but I don't know why. It's possible that sometime in the past quarter century I read of them doing that n some odd situation and it stuck in my head as dual ops
However, even for simple recovery - there's not much space on the bow of Bogue to allow many planes to be parked there.
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