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This is CL "KRITI" of HYDRA class CLs
Laid down 1939 was the last of four sister ships.
The other ships were: HYDRA, SPETSE, PSARA.



General Characteristics:
LOA: 163 m
Breadth: 18 m
Depth: 5,4 m
Speed: 30 Kts
Armament: 3 x 3 x 6'' main guns
3 x 3 x 4" double porpose guns
3 x 3 x 40mm A/A guns
7 x 1 x 20mm A/A guns
2 x 3 x 21" Torpado tubes
1 scout hydroplane Supermarine Walrus

Shes quite nice!

Agree, I always have been fond of, of your drawings
But why you don't try to look at the upload options, she looks resized down

Beautiful drawing. However, you state she has six 6-inch guns while the drawing shows none.

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Originally posted by eltf177
Beautiful drawing. However, you state she has six 6-inch guns while the drawing shows none.

Nine.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by eltf177
Beautiful drawing. However, you state she has six 6-inch guns while the drawing shows none.

Nine.

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Originally posted by Navarchos
General Characteristics:
LOA: 163 m
Breadth: 18 m
Depth: 5,4 m
Speed: 30 Kts
Armament: 3 x 2 x 6'' main guns
3 x 2 x 4" double porpose guns
3 x 2 x 40mm A/A guns
7 x 1 x 20mm A/A guns
2 x 3 x 21" Torpado tubes
1 scout hydroplane Supermarine Walrus

eltf is correct; the stats imply 3 twins, while the graphic shows triples.

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
eltf is correct; the stats imply 3 twins, while the graphic shows triples.

Yes, isn't that what we both said?

Thanks a lot Guys & Sorry about the mistakes ... dam this keyboard....
I corrected in the first post, it's actually 3x3x6"
Also guys I need some advises about the imageshack!
when i upload a pic i do it with out resizing it and when i post here the link it is presented resized down !!!! what to do????

From the screen you're presented after the upload is complete, copy the Direct Link to Image; that is the unaltered direct copy of what you uploaded. Then, to display it here (and in most other forums), just surround it with the img tag, like so;

That's a great looking cruiser. Good stuff.

I went ahead and SS'd it, it actually came out pretty good...

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Kirti, Greece Light Cruiser laid down 1939

Displacement:
7,732 t light; 8,011 t standard; 8,789 t normal; 9,411 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
541.34 ft / 535.00 ft x 59.06 ft x 17.70 ft (normal load)
165.00 m / 163.07 m x 18.00 m x 5.39 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (1x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (2x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
7 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,177 lbs / 534 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
5th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 4.50" / 114 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 65,192 shp / 48,633 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,400 tons

Complement:
453 - 589

Cost:
£3.731 million / $14.922 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 147 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 1,593 tons, 18.1 %
- Belts: 545 tons, 6.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 185 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 210 tons, 2.4 %
- Armour Deck: 612 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1,764 tons, 20.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,078 tons, 46.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,057 tons, 12.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,837 lbs / 6,276 Kg = 128.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.13 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.44 ft / 7.75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.19 ft / 6.15 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.19 ft / 5.54 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.19 ft / 4.93 m
- Stern: 16.19 ft / 4.93 m
- Average freeboard: 18.66 ft / 5.69 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146.0 %
Waterplane Area: 22,051 Square feet or 2,049 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 136 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 591 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.24
- Longitudinal: 1.64
- Overall: 1.28
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

TT's in triple beam mounts. Miscellaneous weight includes a catapult, crane and a Supermarine Walrus seaplane.

I'm thinking the range might be a bit excessive, dropping that and a bit of tweaking the deck armor could probably be increased to 2-inches and maybe squeeze another knot of speed out of the design.

Thanks a lot guys for your advises here i post a better link for this doll but i still can not post it with it's original size( i try all the options but no working, i don't kno what's wrong)



Yes i agree that 6000 miles are a lot for Aegean & Meditteranean sea but also 30 + knots are welcome and more protection off course !!!

Drawing looks splendid, as I've come to expect!

eltf177, I'd switch to geared drive, raise the freeboard another two feet, and see if 32 knots will work. You have plenty of hull strength left to play with, but if you increase the speed, seakeeping will fall below 1.00.

Excellent suggestions, Brockpaine. I dropped the range and fiddled with the freeboard. Got another inch of deck armor and another 0.5 knots of speed.

Being that this ship will most likely only operate in the Med, it _might_ be worth poor seakeeping to get the speed up further...

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Kirti, Greece Light Cruiser laid down 1939

Displacement:
7,977 t light; 8,255 t standard; 8,789 t normal; 9,215 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
541.59 ft / 535.00 ft x 59.06 ft x 17.70 ft (normal load)
165.08 m / 163.07 m x 18.00 m x 5.39 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (1x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (2x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
7 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,177 lbs / 534 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
5th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 4.50" / 114 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 69,755 shp / 52,038 Kw = 30.50 kts
Range 4,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 960 tons

Complement:
453 - 589

Cost:
£3.881 million / $15.524 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 147 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 2,007 tons, 22.8 %
- Belts: 545 tons, 6.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 185 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 217 tons, 2.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,020 tons, 11.6 %
- Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1,887 tons, 21.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,785 tons, 43.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 812 tons, 9.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,150 lbs / 5,965 Kg = 121.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.13 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.44 ft / 8.06 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.19 ft / 6.76 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.19 ft / 5.54 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.19 ft / 4.93 m
- Stern: 16.19 ft / 4.93 m
- Average freeboard: 19.28 ft / 5.88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.7 %
Waterplane Area: 22,051 Square feet or 2,049 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 543 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.13
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 1.17
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

TT's in triple beam mounts. Miscellaneous weight includes a catapult, crane and a Supermarine Walrus seaplane.

Given that you've got LOTS of remaining hull strength, you can raise the freeboard some more and increase speed again. Of course, another thing you can do to make her faster is to go to a transom stern arrangement, which makes sense for a short-ranged, high-speed cruiser like the Greeks would likely want.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Given that you've got LOTS of remaining hull strength, you can raise the freeboard some more and increase speed again. Of course, another thing you can do to make her faster is to go to a transom stern arrangement, which makes sense for a short-ranged, high-speed cruiser like the Greeks would likely want.

Good idea about the TS. Between that and a little more fiddling with the freeboard I was able to keep the 2.5-inch deck and get her up to 32 knots while still keeping up seakeeping...

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Kirti, Greece Light Cruiser laid down 1939

Displacement:
8,414 t light; 8,701 t standard; 9,218 t normal; 9,631 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
542.59 ft / 535.00 ft x 59.06 ft x 18.70 ft (normal load)
165.38 m / 163.07 m x 18.00 m x 5.70 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (1x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (2x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
7 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,177 lbs / 534 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
5th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 4.50" / 114 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 84,556 shp / 63,079 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 930 tons

Complement:
469 - 611

Cost:
£4.296 million / $17.184 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 147 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 2,075 tons, 22.5 %
- Belts: 545 tons, 5.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 185 tons, 2.0 %
- Armament: 245 tons, 2.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1,058 tons, 11.5 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,288 tons, 24.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,754 tons, 40.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 804 tons, 8.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,638 lbs / 6,186 Kg = 126.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.546
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.06 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.44 ft / 9.28 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26.19 ft / 7.98 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.19 ft / 7.07 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.19 ft / 6.15 m
- Stern: 18.19 ft / 5.54 m
- Average freeboard: 23.46 ft / 7.15 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 186.3 %
Waterplane Area: 22,870 Square feet or 2,125 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 97 lbs/sq ft or 472 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.32
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

TT's in triple beam mounts. Miscellaneous weight includes a catapult, crane and a Supermarine Walrus seaplane.

You probably don't want to waste the tonnage on the torpedo bulkhead, you don't have the beam to make it work, and it's cramping your engine spaces terribly. Also, for a light cruiser, you may not need 2.5" deck armor, 2" is probably sufficient. More speed!!!

Thanks for your interesting on my plan & your valuable help guys!!!
I think this is the ideal light cruiser for Aegean & Meditteranean seas, thanks again!!!

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Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

Well, not quite..... This is because of the torpedo bulkhead, it's compressing the space available for the engines and magazines and making the amount of the ship needed to be protected longer.

Didn't see that! Time to redesign!