WesWorld

Yugoslavia is willing to purchase an old battlecruiser at 10% of cost plus pay for a rejuvenation and engine refit with another 10% of the cost of the refit included as fee for the work. Let me know if any ships are available.

Just noticed it's impossible for me to purchase and refit an old battlecruiser due to the prices set by Cleito. So now I'm opening a bid for a Pocket Battleship on the 10,000t-16,000t range with at least 283mm main guns. Start your designs and be advised the ship could be paid close to full in Q4/34.

Nordmark re-submits its Super-lofoten type Pocket BB

Super-Lofoten type, Romania/Yugoslavia Coast Defence ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
14,200 t light; 15,156 t standard; 16,046 t normal; 16,757 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
453.53 ft / 450.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
138.23 m / 137.16 m x 24.38 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (6x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 9,336 lbs / 4,235 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 1.50" / 38 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.75" / 121 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29,491 shp / 22,000 Kw = 21.50 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,601 tons

Complement:
712 - 926

Cost:
£7.474 million / $29.896 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,016 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 6,193 tons, 38.6 %
- Belts: 1,861 tons, 11.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 400 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 1,345 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 2,423 tons, 15.1 %
- Conning Tower: 164 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 838 tons, 5.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,053 tons, 37.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,846 tons, 11.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,103 lbs / 9,572 Kg = 17.6 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Mid (40 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 15.84 ft / 4.83 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
Waterplane Area: 27,578 Square feet or 2,562 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 792 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 1.98
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Quoted

Originally posted by Earl822
Nordmark re-submits its Super-lofoten type Pocket BB

Super-Lofoten type, Romania/Yugoslavia Coast Defence ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
14,200 t light; 15,156 t standard; 16,046 t normal; 16,757 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
453.53 ft / 450.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
138.23 m / 137.16 m x 24.38 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (6x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 9,336 lbs / 4,235 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 1.50" / 38 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.75" / 121 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29,491 shp / 22,000 Kw = 21.50 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,601 tons

Complement:
712 - 926

Cost:
£7.474 million / $29.896 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,016 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 6,193 tons, 38.6 %
- Belts: 1,861 tons, 11.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 400 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 1,345 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 2,423 tons, 15.1 %
- Conning Tower: 164 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 838 tons, 5.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,053 tons, 37.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,846 tons, 11.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,103 lbs / 9,572 Kg = 17.6 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Mid (40 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 15.84 ft / 4.83 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
Waterplane Area: 27,578 Square feet or 2,562 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 792 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 1.98
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Could you increase speed a little bit more? you still have at least 1.5t to play with.

I got her much 0.5knt's faster for another 800t, including slightly longer legs

Super-Lofoten type, Romania/Yugoslavia Coast Defence ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
14,977 t light; 15,951 t standard; 16,937 t normal; 17,726 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
484.23 ft / 480.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 23.75 ft (normal load)
147.59 m / 146.30 m x 24.38 m x 7.24 m

Armament:
6 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (6x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 9,336 lbs / 4,235 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 325.00 ft / 99.06 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 325.00 ft / 99.06 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 1.50" / 38 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.75" / 121 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32,353 shp / 24,135 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 2,500nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,774 tons

Complement:
742 - 965

Cost:
£7.670 million / $30.682 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,016 tons, 6.0 %
Armour: 6,507 tons, 38.4 %
- Belts: 1,994 tons, 11.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 433 tons, 2.6 %
- Armament: 1,325 tons, 7.8 %
- Armour Deck: 2,585 tons, 15.3 %
- Conning Tower: 171 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 919 tons, 5.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,435 tons, 38.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,960 tons, 11.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23,867 lbs / 10,826 Kg = 19.9 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.50 ft / 5.33 m
- Mid (40 %): 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Stern: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Average freeboard: 16.62 ft / 5.07 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.4 %
Waterplane Area: 29,417 Square feet or 2,733 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 785 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.84
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


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And for only 53tons more there is this:-

Super-Lofoten type, Romania/Yugoslavia Coast Defence ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
14,253 t light; 15,156 t standard; 16,046 t normal; 16,757 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
453.53 ft / 450.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
138.23 m / 137.16 m x 24.38 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,400.00lbs / 635.03kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (6x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 9,336 lbs / 4,235 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 1.50" / 38 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.75" / 121 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 31,066 shp / 23,176 Kw = 21.78 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,601 tons

Complement:
712 - 926

Cost:
£7.515 million / $30.061 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,016 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 6,166 tons, 38.4 %
- Belts: 1,861 tons, 11.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 400 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 1,317 tons, 8.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,423 tons, 15.1 %
- Conning Tower: 164 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 883 tons, 5.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,088 tons, 37.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,793 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,086 lbs / 9,565 Kg = 17.6 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.83
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Mid (40 %): 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Stern: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Average freeboard: 16.19 ft / 4.93 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.1 %
Waterplane Area: 27,578 Square feet or 2,562 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 794 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.03
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

So you want a pocket battleship...
... then you can get a 'pocket battleship'.
Slightly shorter than a Deutschland, but a bit wider (which I thought would be useful as I use twin 135mm guns for this design instead of the single 150mm guns on the Deutschland).


Spee, Japan Panzershiff laid down 1935

Displacement:
15,028 t light; 15,944 t standard; 19,140 t normal; 21,697 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
595.28 ft / 580.00 ft x 77.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
181.44 m / 176.78 m x 23.47 m x 7.62 m

Armament:
6 - 11.14" / 283 mm guns (2x3 guns), 691.56lbs / 313.69kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (2x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (8x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x8 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,686 lbs / 2,579 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 160
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 375.00 ft / 114.30 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.00" / 51 mm 375.00 ft / 114.30 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 2.75" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75,000 shp / 55,950 Kw = 27.50 kts
Range 18,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,753 tons

Complement:
813 - 1,057

Cost:
£7.236 million / $28.943 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 711 tons, 3.7%
Armour: 4,922 tons, 25.7%
- Belts: 1,420 tons, 7.4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 666 tons, 3.5%
- Armament: 981 tons, 5.1%
- Armour Deck: 1,813 tons, 9.5%
- Conning Tower: 42 tons, 0.2%
Machinery: 2,131 tons, 11.1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,865 tons, 35.9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,112 tons, 21.5%
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
30,861 lbs / 13,998 Kg = 44.6 x 11.1 " / 283 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.53 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
- Forecastle (20%): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50%): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Stern: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Average freeboard: 22.72 ft / 6.93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.6%
Waterplane Area: 32,664 Square feet or 3,035 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 680 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.76
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jugoslavia has little to no use for any sort of capital ship, unfortunatly, a dinky little coastline, limited resources and all it'll do is antagonise Italy...

..in that case maybe I should help them out a wee bit.

Quoted

Originally posted by Swamphen
Jugoslavia has little to no use for any sort of capital ship, unfortunatly, a dinky little coastline, limited resources and all it'll do is antagonise Italy...

Just following more or less Marek's plan for their nations. I agree most likely a waste of resources but I will follow his ideas as much as possible.

Quoted

Jugoslavia has little to no use for any sort of capital ship, unfortunatly, a dinky little coastline, limited resources and all it'll do is antagonise Italy...

It doesn't have to antagonise Italy, if say it buys stuff from Italy...

The current Jugoslav coastline is more or less the same as Montenegro so 200miles wiht 1 port at Bar with two type 1 drydocks.

I was considering entering this but it's too hard to sim.

Quoted

..in that case maybe I should help them out a wee bit.

In what way? With a design or will you use military force to push Italy from the Eastern end of the Adriatic Sea?

Thats for me to know and you to speculate about ;-)

... which translates to "Both".

...or neither. Plausable denial!

offers the following design to the Yugoslav Navy.

State Yard 51 draws attention to following advantages:

Design will require only minor modifications to Yugoslav drydocks.
Design is armored to meet wide variety of threats in constricted waters.
Design has high survivability against underwater threats.
Design has good seakeeping and endurance, considering Yugoslavia's location.

State Yard 51 will construct this ship for cost+10% fee.

AS1939-Y, Yugoslav Armored Ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
17,025 t light; 17,808 t standard; 18,455 t normal; 18,974 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557.01 ft / 549.54 ft x 82.02 ft (Bulges 91.86 ft) x 24.61 ft (normal load)
169.78 m / 167.50 m x 25.00 m (Bulges 28.00 m) x 7.50 m

Armament:
6 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,038.38lbs / 471.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (2x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
32 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
8 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,233 lbs / 3,281 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 286.75 ft / 87.40 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 2.76" / 70 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 286.75 ft / 87.40 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 286.75 ft / 87.40 m 24.61 ft / 7.50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
5th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 51,151 shp / 38,158 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 3,300nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,166 tons

Complement:
791 - 1,029

Cost:
£7.303 million / $29.210 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 756 tons, 4.1 %
Armour: 7,388 tons, 40.0 %
- Belts: 2,907 tons, 15.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 2.2 %
- Armament: 1,219 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 2,673 tons, 14.5 %
- Conning Tower: 178 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,453 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,327 tons, 39.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,431 tons, 7.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32,584 lbs / 14,780 Kg = 37.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.520
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.44 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.89 ft / 8.50 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.55 ft / 6.26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.0 %
Waterplane Area: 30,589 Square feet or 2,842 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 782 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.88
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

Quoted

Jugoslavia has little to no use for any sort of capital ship, unfortunatly, a dinky little coastline, limited resources and all it'll do is antagonise Italy...

It doesn't have to antagonise Italy, if say it buys stuff from Italy...

The current Jugoslav coastline is more or less the same as Montenegro so 200miles wiht 1 port at Bar with two type 1 drydocks.

I was considering entering this but it's too hard to sim.

What I noticed in the map is that it seems Albania was split between Greece and Yugoslavia according to the map. Maybe Atlantean help to build infrastructure in Tirana, perhaps even more? That MTB's produced in Atlantis seem real nice also.

Definitive map of region. Albania going to Jugoslavia, Greece and Italy.

A quick and dirty design study for a new-build ship from the Philippines. If if meets with interest a detailed (SS2) design will be prepared.

Uses Skoda-Davao 10"/45 guns.


XJ35-01, laid down 1935

Length, 557 ft x Beam, 65.0 ft x Depth, 24.0 ft
12413 tons normal displacement (11016 tons standard)

Main battery: 6 x 10.0-inch (2 x 3, A-Y)
Secondary battery: 4 x 115mm (2 x 2, Bs-Xs)
AA battery: 8 x 115mm (corners)
Light battery: 8 x 35mm

Weight of broadside: 3568 lbs

6 TT, 21.0"

Main belt, 130mm; ends unarmored
Armor deck, average 100mm
C.T., 130mm

Battery armor:
Main, 155mm / secondary, 50mm
AA, 50mm / light guns, 20mm

Maximum speed for 74000 shp = 29.63 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 10000 nm / 15 kts

Typical complement: 588-764


Estimated cost, $21.089 million (£5.272 million)

Remarks:

Relative extent of belt armor, 90 percent of 'typical' coverage.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 446 tons = 4 pct
Armor, total ..................... 2984 tons = 24 pct

Belt 670 tons = 5 pct
Deck 1659 tons = 13 pct
C.T. 59 tons = 0 pct
Armament 596 tons = 5 pct

Machinery ........................ 2103 tons = 17 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 4687 tons = 38 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1943 tons = 16 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 250 tons = 2 pct
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12413 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 2.9 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 10470 tons
Standard displacement: 11016 tons
Normal service: 12413 tons
Full load: 13481 tons

Loading submergence 650 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.06

Shellfire needed to sink: 14759 lbs = 29.5 x 10.0-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.0
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 62 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.67

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.04

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.50
Sharpness coefficient: 0.35
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 7.36
'Natural speed' for length = 23.6 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 56 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 85 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 121 percent


Displacement factor: 113 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.95
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 125 lbs)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.63
(for 18.5 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +2.7 ft)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.00

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

557.00 x 65.00 x 24.00; 18.50 -- Dimensions
0.50 -- Block coefficient
1935 -- Year laid down
29.63 / 10000 / 15.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
250 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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6 x 10.00; 2; 0 -- Main battery; turrets; superfiring
:
4 x 4.53; 2 -- Secondary battery; turrets
:
8 x 4.53 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Gun-shields
:
8 x 1.38 -- Fourth (light) battery
6 / 0 / 21.00 -- TT / submerged / size
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5.10 / 0.00 / 0.00 / 0.00; 90 -- Belt armor; relative extent
3.94 / 5.10 -- Deck / CT
6.10 / 1.97 / 1.00 / 0.78 -- Battery armor


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Originally posted by perdedor99
Maybe Atlantean help to build infrastructure in Tirana, perhaps even more? That MTB's produced in Atlantis seem real nice also.

Ip's are hard to come by these days but MTB's wouldn't be out of the question.

What are you looking for in such a ship? Firepower? Armor? or Speed?

I have this design lying around, which can be modified depending on what you want.


Arizaba, Mexico Battleship laid down 1938

Displacement:
14,664 t light; 15,536 t standard; 17,422 t normal; 18,931 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590.00 ft / 590.00 ft x 75.00 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
179.83 m / 179.83 m x 22.86 m x 8.08 m

Armament:
6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (2x3 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,495 lbs / 3,400 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
0.50" / 13 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 20.00 ft / 6.10 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 62,699 shp / 46,773 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 11,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,395 tons

Complement:
757 - 985

Cost:
£8.683 million / $34.734 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 937 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 5,040 tons, 28.9 %
- Belts: 1,656 tons, 9.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 144 tons, 0.8 %
- Armament: 1,150 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,944 tons, 11.2 %
- Conning Tower: 145 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 1,717 tons, 9.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,945 tons, 39.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,758 tons, 15.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23,336 lbs / 10,585 Kg = 27.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.520
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.87 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m before break)
- Stern: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Average freeboard: 16.70 ft / 5.09 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.2 %
Waterplane Area: 30,029 Square feet or 2,790 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 157 lbs/sq ft or 765 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.45
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent