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Originally posted by Desertfox
Is only Europe important enough for the LoN?
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Frank Reuter, Netherlands LON delegate :
Indian delegate speaks:
The Chinese delegate is correct in stating his position. I would like to take note of the generous additional measures China has included in her proposal to ensure fears as to her intentions are set at ease.
I think we can all agree with China's position that once the reason for a League Mandate has passed, the territory should be returned to the historic nation to which it belongs.
This sets before us several points which define the path on which to proceed.
Before we venture much further, and the League formally honors the Chinese claim, we should clarify if there are other outstanding claims.
For example, our early records from that area, while admittedly young by Chinese standards, record the islands as being the Hoàng Sa islands, under the control of what is currently French Indochina. Indeed, we have records of a Vietnamese garrison there in the late 1700s. Would France care to waive Indochina's claim? Are there any others?
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Frank Reuter, Netherlands LON delegate :
My dear sir, this is not a joke but a matter of historical record(1). Your references to unrelated matters are not relevant.
We agree that when a League Mandate expires, the land should be returned to the historical owner. However, the League should exercise due dillegence to ensure the mandate is returned to the correct owner.
There may be other claims, but the one we are aware of is the Vietnamese. The last historical record we have of a continuous presence on those islands is a vietnamese garrison on woody island. France is the soveriegn entity responsible for Vietnamese Indochina at this point. Now, if China refuses to recognise that I am afraid we can not conclude this business, but otherwise, it is France who may waive the claim and allow the islands to be awarded to China.
(1) From wiki : In 1700s, State-sponsored occupation of the islands can also be traced to the reign of the Nguyen lords. Salvaging operations became formalized with the establishment of the Hoang Sa detachments or brigades, units comprised of 70 men from the village of An Vinh, the recruitment and organization of which were regulated by the Vietnamese government.Portuguese and Dutch maps drawn by navigators in the early 17th century identify the islands as Vietnamese.
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Originally posted by perdedor99
"We are not discussing the historical matter. We are discussing the reason a free Indochinese delegation can make that claim. And if according to our esteem Dutch representative they can't govern themselves, how they can make a claim to the islands? .
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
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Originally posted by perdedor99
"We are not discussing the historical matter. We are discussing the reason a free Indochinese delegation can make that claim. And if according to our esteem Dutch representative they can't govern themselves, how they can make a claim to the islands? .
Frank Reuter, Netherlands LON delegate :
The proposition you put forward is that the peoples of French Indochina have lost all territorial rights and claims before this body?
I find that a bewildering stance. France is the legally (1) recognised representive, as implicitly recognised by your own nation by signing the Indochina protocol, and thus the proper guardian for those claims(1).
As such it is to France we turn to waive them, thus sparing this body from choosing between ancient claims of various nations, albeit it has been the peoples of Indochina that actually exercised control within the past three centuries.
(1) This is where Wesworld Alt history becomes murky. OTL history is this : On 6 June 1884, France consolidated her occupation of Vietnam, which began in 1852, by forcing the Nguyen Dynasty to sign the Patenotre Treaty.[31] Under terms of that agreement, France was to represent Vietnam's interest in foreign affairs and was "bound to protect Vietnam's sovereignty and territorial integrity."[32] The French began to conduct patrol trips of the East Sea, especially in the area of the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa islands in order "to ensure security and committed customs ships to combating smuggling."[33] Vietnamese claims
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