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Friday, December 24th 2004, 12:05pm

Italy Q4/1925 (Revised)

01/10/1925-31/12/1925 4th quarter
[SIZE=1]17 Factories + 2 factories from East Africa[/SIZE]

Genoa, Ansaldo yard -
1 Type 3 Slipway –
1 Type 3 Slipway -
1 Type 3 Drydock - Soldati Artigliere Class Destroyer is being scrapped
1 Type 3 Drydock – Soldati Artigliere Class Destroyer is being scrapped

RM Francesco Ferrucio – 2.7 months left – 523t - complete
Alvise da Mosto – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete
Antonio da Noli – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete

La Spezia Naval yard -
1 Type 1 slipway -
1 Type 1 Drydock - Soldati Artigliere Class Destroyer is being scrapped

Antoniotto Usodimare – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete
Emanuele Pessagno – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete

Taranto Naval Headquarters -
1 Type 4 Slipway -
1 Type 4 Drydock - Soldati Artigliere Class Destroyer is being scrapped
1 Type 3 Slipway – Asmara – 7.9 months left – 1911t - complete
1 Type 3 Drydock – Massawa – 7.9 months left – 1911t - complete
1 Type 3 Drydock – Turkish AC, Ulic Ali Reis is rebuilding
1 Type 1 Slipway -
1 Type 1 Drydock – Soldati Artigliere Class Destroyer is being scrapped

RM Alberico da Barbiano – 2.7months left - complete
RM Bartolomeo Colleoni – 2.7months left - 1000t - 761t to complete
Leone Pancaldo – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete
Giovanni da Verazzano – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete

Napoli di Castellammare -
1 Type 3 Slipway –
1 Type 3 Drydock -
1 Type 1 Slipway -
1 Type 1 Drydock -

RM Giovanni delle Bande Nere – 2.7 months left - 2000t - 3761t to complete
Luca Tarigo – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete
Nicoloso da Recco – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete

Venezia, Naval yard -
1 Type 3 Slipway - SA01 – 0.5months left – 439t
1 Type 3 Slipway - SA02 – 0.5months left – 439t
1 Type 3 Drydock –
1 Type 1 Slipway – SA03 – 0.5months left – 439t
1 Type 1 Drydock – Soldati Alpino Class Destroyer is being scrapped

Ugolino Vivaldi – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete
Nicolo Zeno – 4.7months left à 161t – 767t to complete

5 x MAS 431

Trieste, Ansaldo yard -
1 Type 4 slipway -
1 Type 4 slipway –

Veinticinco de Mayo Class cruiser for Argentina - completes Q4/26
Veinticinco de Mayo Class cruiser for Argentina - completes Q4/26

Messina, Naval yard -
1 Type 4 Drydock - Soldati Alpino Class Destroyer is being scrapped
1 Type 3 Slipway –
1 Type 3 Slipway -
1 Type 3 Drydock – RM Bari is being rebuilt –complete
1 Type 1 Slipway -

RM Alberto da Giussano – 2.7 months left – 2000t - 761t to complete

Cagliari, Naval yard -
1 Type 3 Drydock – Soldati Alpino Class Destroyer is being scrapped
1 Type 1 Drydock - Soldati Alpino Class Destroyer is being scrapped

Massawa, Eritrea -
1 Type 1 Slipway -
1 Type 1 Drydock –

Mogadishu, Somalia –
1 Type 1 Drydock -

15492tons materials needed.
237tons used from last quarter stockpile. 14+2 factories produce 16,000t of materials. 3045tons stockpiled.
1.300t transferred from Argentina is 50% payment for 2x Veinticinco de Mayo Class cruisers
1.000t transferred from Turkey

5 Soldati Artigliere Class destroyers scrapped giving 104t materials each.
4 Soldati Alpino Class destroyers scrapped giving 104t materials each
Total 936t materials available in Q3/26

3 fixed factories produce 0.6pts
0 unfixed factories produces 0.0pts

0.6pts spent on Factory No. 18
Factory No. 18 needs 4.8pts to complete


Fleet Strength
BB. 9(0)+0
CV. 2(0)+0
CA. 1(0)+0
CL. 23(0)+5
CDA. 4(0)+0
DD. 33(0)+10
Submarines. a) 1(0)+0
b) 20(0)+3
Escorts. 20(0)+0
MAS. 87(0)+5

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Friday, December 24th 2004, 12:32pm



2 ships laid down for Abyssinia to provide coastal defence/patrol.


Asmara, Abyssinian Coastal Defence ship laid down 1925

Displacement:
1,911 t light; 2,018 t standard; 2,227 t normal; 2,394 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
241.83 ft / 229.66 ft x 45.93 ft x 11.38 ft (normal load)
73.71 m / 70.00 m x 14.00 m x 3.47 m

Armament:
4 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 276.24lbs / 125.30kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1925 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 1,117 lbs / 507 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 108.86 ft / 33.18 m 8.14 ft / 2.48 m
Ends: 0.79" / 20 mm 120.77 ft / 36.81 m 8.14 ft / 2.48 m
Upper: 0.79" / 20 mm 108.86 ft / 33.18 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 73 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 5,800 shp / 4,327 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 376 tons

Complement:
161 - 210

Cost:
£0.661 million / $2.645 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 130 tons, 5.8 %
Armour: 566 tons, 25.4 %
- Belts: 184 tons, 8.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 136 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 235 tons, 10.6 %
- Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 188 tons, 8.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,002 tons, 45.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 316 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,982 lbs / 1,806 Kg = 15.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 49 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.649
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.42 ft / 4.70 m
- Forecastle (26 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Quarterdeck (26 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Stern: 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Average freeboard: 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.1 %
Waterplane Area: 8,073 Square feet or 750 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 87 lbs/sq ft or 425 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.87
- Longitudinal: 3.85
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Friday, December 24th 2004, 12:37pm

MAS 431




Length 16 m
Width 3.95 m
Draft 1.30 m
Displacement 15.9 t
Machinery 2 gasoline
Propellers 2
Total HP 1500
Speed 41.0
Range 100 @ 40
Armament 2 x 6.5mm
Launchers 2 x 450mm
Crew 7

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Friday, December 24th 2004, 4:42pm

...I say again...

The Philippines transfers 500t of material to Italy this quarter for the construction of 10 MAS da 38m fast torpedo craft. 20 of an order of 40 have been delivered as of the end of the quarter.

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I like those little CDSs, similar to the OTL Siamese ships but distinctive at the same time. I'm looking at similar vessels to fill out the ~3,000 tons of CDS tonnage I'll have left.

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Friday, January 7th 2005, 11:11pm

Revised, again.

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 1:24am

Is the Turkish rebuild the only change?

BTW, like the new avatar. Prepare to be copycatted... ;)

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 6:48am




Awwwwwe Isn't she cute! Quite an interesting design.

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 6:52am

Looks like something Chile would build if it was a better seaboat. Has the right guns and everything.

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 9:59am

Quoted

Is the Turkish rebuild the only change?

BTW, like the new avatar. Prepare to be copycatted... ;)


I've also started scrapping some older destroyers.

What is your avatar? Looks like the Ca. 310 ?

Unfortunately I couldn't get this to fit :(

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 10:30am

Kinda looks like a SM. 79B unless the 310 had wing braces aft.

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 12:32pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral
01/10/1925-31/12/1925 4th quarter
[SIZE=1]17 Factories + 2 factories from East Africa[/SIZE]


I´m currently confused. Where do those two factories come from?

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 1:41pm

Quoted

I´m currently confused. Where do those two factories come from?


Abyssinia.

Quoted

Kinda looks like a SM. 79B unless the 310 had wing braces aft.


I meant Swamphen's avatar. It looks liek the Caproni 310. The picture in my previous post is the Savoia-Marchetii SM.79-II. My avatar is the Fiat CR.42

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 2:04pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral

Quoted

I´m currently confused. Where do those two factories come from?


Abyssinia.

Quoted

Kinda looks like a SM. 79B unless the 310 had wing braces aft.


I meant Swamphen's avatar. It looks liek the Caproni 310. The picture in my previous post is the Savoia-Marchetii SM.79-II. My avatar is the Fiat CR.42


LoL

Nice one...

I meant if you could lead me to the thread where we agreed on Italy getting 2 new factory from there... I can´t remember it currently. Thanks.

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 5:18pm

Quoted

What is your avatar? Looks like the Ca. 310 ?


That's the Aero A-304, circa 1937. Modified with Filipino insignia. ;) "A taste of things to come..."

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 6:03pm

Quoted

I meant if you could lead me to the thread where we agreed on Italy getting 2 new factory from there... I can´t remember it currently. Thanks.


I think Swamphen mentioned it somewhere.

The material they produce is being used for the 2 ships laid down for them, Asmara and Massawa. Maybe better if I put "2000t transferred from East Africa"?

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 6:31pm

Could you please lead me to the thread where we agreed on these factories? You´re controlling them after all...

(Also: Probably better make a seperate report like Walter for Chosen etc. to make sure the material is not mixed with Italy´s.)

Thanks,

HoOmAn

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Saturday, January 8th 2005, 6:38pm

Didn't Italy just more or less take over Abyssinia? So wouldn't those materials be Italy's to use?

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Sunday, January 9th 2005, 12:04am

I guess its correct then, allthough we need to add quite a few more NPC nations to that list.

I agree with Hoo, Abyssinia should be in a separate report ala Chosen/Formosa.

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Sunday, January 9th 2005, 12:58am

Quoted

we need to add quite a few more NPC nations to that list.


Eh? Which ones I miss? :-?


If Italy has de facto taken over Ethiopia - whether they admit it or not ;) - they probably have full use of the factories...