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January:


Navy news:
In Zhanjiang the small aircraft-carrier-supply-ship HICMS Chukou is laid down. The vessel will supply the chinese aircraft carriers in fleet operations.


After the shortage of destroyers in the chinese navy is still acute, it was begun with the construction of five destroyers of the Maoke-Class. Further 5 vessels
are already ordered and will be built as soon as possible. The design is from our south african friends.


To make the shipping safer in the chinese waters, the chinese navy has decided to build two buoy tender. Their task is to put the buoys in place and maintain the buoys
in the South China Sea. Additional they will have icebreaking ability.


The HICMS Horie is towed into the drydock in Shanghai and the HICMS Iwao into the drydock in Taipei. The two ships will undergo a modernization
to ensure their continued use. Both vessels will get new and improved anti-aircraft weapons.


Because there was no prospective buyer for the two Protected Cruisers, the Chinese Navy has decided to scrap the two ships. It will be started after the commissioning of
the two light cruisers of the M-class.

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Originally posted by parador
Their task is to put the buoys in place and maintain the buoys
in the South China Sea. Additional they will have icebreaking ability.

The South China Sea being well known for it's inhospitable climate and floating ice packs...

you never know when the next ice age will arrive. better safe than sorry.

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you never know when the next ice age will arrive.

Courtesy of Canadian Super Science (tm).

army news:
The commander of the Group Dragon is summoned to Beijing. There he must make his report at the Army High Command. Due to his report, it will be decided whether Group Dragon remains in Persia or it will be moved back to china.

government news:
The Emperor of China convene an extraordinary meeting of the SATSUMA-Alliance. Initial reports indicated, how the Alliance after the leaving of Bharat should be realigned.
The beginning of the meeting is scheduled for the 12th of July in Beijing.

Navy news:
To strengthen its coastal forces, china buys the complete Pagalo-Class from the philippines. The ships do have a few years under their belts, but were extensively modernized in 1932.
Until enough ships of the Huangshi-Class are available, they are to remain in service. The formal handover of the four ships will take place in Q3. During this ceremony, the ships
also get their chinese names (HICMS Gongshu, HICMS Gongke, HICMS Juyaoke, HICMS Dianyaomu).

somewhere in the air near Beijing

The note, which recalled Lu Ji-Chun (CiC of the Group Dragon) back to Beijing, had an unusually sharp and urgent tone.
Lu Ji-Chun was sitting with Wang Hongju, CiC of the Air Force Component of Group Dragon, and their adjutants in
a ROC-14 aircraft and flew at 300 miles an hour to the capital of the Chinese Empire.

None of the officers knew what were the points of the meeting. The plane flew just over the course of the Yangtze,
where the great river searches his way through a labyrinth of lakes, dams, canyons and channels. In clear weather,
the sight of this river landscape is surely an impressive spectacle, but today the Yangtze concealed under thick,
gray clouds.

"What do you mean, why they want to see us ? Is it because of the failure of our last campaign ?" asked Wang Hongju

"No, Wang" Lu Ji-Chun replied thoughtfully. "I think rather less. When this whole problem started, we should only
test our prototypes under realistic conditions. Some were destroyed, others could be repaired. But the insights
gained are not sufficient to decide for a special prototype. So the matter is first on ice. I can not imagine that
anything in this context is so urgent, that we must fly only for this matter to Beijing.

"Then it's our Condominium, as always, if the politicians are getting nervous."

"This is undoubtedly correct. But also it's possible, that's something complete different. However, I can not quite imagine what are
the points of the meeting, Wang Hongju. Well, we will know it soon."

Shortly before nine o'clock the plane with the passengers prepared for landing on the Beijing airport. At the ground,
they were already expected by a vehicle of the Navy, and six minutes after the landing, the two officers were already on
their way to the city. The plane refueled and flew on to Shanghai.

The CiC of Group Dragon said to the driver, he should first drive to his official residence, because he and
Wang Hongju wanted to change clothes and have breakfast before they went on to the forbidden city at half past eleven.
The Emperor hated it when anyone came too late, and would sure make no exception also at the two military leaders who
had traveled a very long way.

When the generals got out of the car in front of the forbidden city at ten minutes to twelve, they were welcomed by a military
honor guard, made up of four marines, which escorted them through the long corridors to the conference room in which the
meeting should take place.

Inside were already the president and the minister of defense spoke with the Chief of the chinese secret service, who
was rarely seen here. The other members of "the high council" were sitten around and talking to each other. Two minutes after
Lu Ji-Chun and Wang Hongju, the Emperor appeared with his two secretaries. All present stood up as his highness
entered the room. He smiled and nodded to his admirals and generals. The eight armed bodyguards who accompanied him at every turn,
were still in the corridor. "Dear Sir's ..." the emperor started ".................

to be continued....

navy news:
Through the events in Persia and the resultant ill-feeling between the Chinese and Indian government, China finished the preliminary maritime cooperation with
India. This means, that the common military base on the Maldives is not longer served by Chinese ships. The hitherto there stationed U-boat fleet and the supply
ship drives back into local waters and is soon expected again in its home port in Tianjin.

"thank all of you, that you came to our meeting. Admiral Tan Won, could you please give us a brief overview of the progress of the buildings on Itu Aba and
the other islands of our Condominiums ?"

The Admiral rises from his chair, bows before the Emperor and answers "Excellency, it is my great honor that they have given me the confidence and have
entrusted me with the construction. I am pleased to inform you .......(he walks to the map on the wall) .....

1. The attachment of the landing strip on Itu Aba was completed. In addition to the runway, some fortified shelters for the aircrafts of the Condominium Air Force
were built. Of course, we immediately deployed after completion the first aircrafts on Itu Aba.

2. The coastal fortifications were built along the lines of the High Council and equipped with appropriate anti-aircraft weapons.

According to our plan, we have substantially increased the reserves of the bases. Furthermore, our III. Ocean Submarine Fleet and our IV. Submarine Fleet, with
their supply ships, were assigned to the Condominium. So I am pleased to tell you, that we are there to 100% operational.

We are therefore perfectly on schedule."


"Many Thanks Admiral for your resume. But let us now come to the focus of our meeting, "Operation Gomorrah". Please, all present open the appropriate envelope
marked with "ULTRA TOP SECRET - Operaton Gomorrha"....

Out of curiosity, have you seen maps or photos of Itu Aba to see if you can actually fit that huge base onto the island without running out of room or sinking the entire base? There's no natural anchorage for ships and the soil is too sandy to hold substantial structures (such as fortified aircraft shelters). The historical dirt runway takes up a sizable percentage of the island's area, and the highest point on Itu Aba is 9m above sea level - with the majority of the island 4m above sea level. A South Seas typhoon has higher storm surge than that (which is one of the reasons neither China nor Vietnam built anything larger than the dirt airstrip).

I am just curious how you're designing this base.

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In my eyes enough space for a dirt or fortified small runway and some shelters, of course not for B-52's.

And by the way the same geological changes millions of years ago that created Atlantis raised the level of the island to 25m over the sea level, so there is really enough space.

But you're not merely putting a runway and fortified hangers there - you're also placing a base for naval ships, coast-defense batteries, and AA facilities. All I'm asking is whether or not you mapped out what space on the island the Philippines permitted you to have, and if you actually have space for it.

A better way to say it... The island's 1.4km long by 4.km wide, giving you an area of 0.56km^2 or 138 acres (presuming a perfect rectangle). I'd estimate maybe 70% of that would be usable area. Would the airstrip cover, say, ten acres, the hangers twenty acres...?

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Originally posted by parador
And by the way the same geological changes millions of years ago that created Atlantis raised the level of the island to 25m over the sea level, so there is really enough space.

I'm presuming that's a failed attempt at humour.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
But you're not merely putting a runway and fortified hangers there - you're also placing a base for naval ships, coast-defense batteries, and AA facilities. All I'm asking is whether or not you mapped out what space on the island the Philippines permitted you to have, and if you actually have space for it.

a) China and the Philippines using the same equipment !! That means both using the runway, the coast-defense batteries etc. pp. That's what both
nations agreed in the Condominium contract.

b) What base for naval ships ??? Sure there is some small infrastructure like a crane and a quay or something, but not really a base.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I'm presuming that's a failed attempt at humour.

You are not laughing ????

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Originally posted by parador

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
But you're not merely putting a runway and fortified hangers there - you're also placing a base for naval ships, coast-defense batteries, and AA facilities. All I'm asking is whether or not you mapped out what space on the island the Philippines permitted you to have, and if you actually have space for it.

a) China and the Philippines using the same equipment !! That means both using the runway, the coast-defense batteries etc. pp. That's what both
nations agreed in the Condominium contract.

Uh. I don't understand. China's building hangers and a runway presumably for their own use, right? Who decides if Chinese or Philippine planes get to use the hangers? Who mans the coast-defense batteries - and if China goes to war, are Philippine-manned coast-defense batteries obliged to shoot at anything?

Am confused.

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Originally posted by parador

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I'm presuming that's a failed attempt at humour.

You are not laughing ????

Um, no, not really, honestly. It seems like every time we discuss an issue like this, somebody pipes up and tries to justify something "because we've got Atlantis!" That's a rather illogical method of debate, in my opinion. I'd be far more satisfied by a well-thought-out rationale.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Uh. I don't understand. China's building hangers and a runway presumably for their own use, right? Who decides if Chinese or Philippine planes get to use the hangers? Who mans the coast-defense batteries - and if China goes to war, are Philippine-manned coast-defense batteries obliged to shoot at anything?

Am confused.

Why ? There is the Condominium Contract between China and the Philippines for a COMMON use. That means both nations have the right to use it. So China didn't build the hangars etc. for their own use, they built it for COMMON use. And by the way, there is a big alliance in which both nations are, and this alliance is still in place, even after Bharat has leave it.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Um, no, not really, honestly. It seems like every time we discuss an issue like this, somebody pipes up and tries to justify something "because we've got Atlantis!" That's a rather illogical method of debate, in my opinion. I'd be far more satisfied by a well-thought-out rationale.

Okay, sorry.

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Originally posted by parador

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Uh. I don't understand. China's building hangers and a runway presumably for their own use, right? Who decides if Chinese or Philippine planes get to use the hangers? Who mans the coast-defense batteries - and if China goes to war, are Philippine-manned coast-defense batteries obliged to shoot at anything?

Am confused.

Why ? There is the Condominium Contract between China and the Philippines for a COMMON use. That means both nations have the right to use it. So China didn't build the hangars etc. for their own use, they built it for COMMON use. And by the way, there is a big alliance in which both nations are, and this alliance is still in place, even after Bharat has leave it.

Perhaps I misspoke. I understand that you're constructing facilities "for common use". What I don't understand is who's administering it.

Let's say thirty Chinese planes and thirty Philippine planes want to base here, but the base only holds (theoretically) forty-five. Who decides if the Chinese base thirty planes and the Philippinos 15, or the Philippinos 30 and the Chinese fifteen? Is there a tacit agreement that the Philippines provides a certain quantity and the Chinese provide a certain quantity? Is there an administrator for the island? (And if there's just one island administrator, is he Chinese, or Philippino?) Who hauls away the trash left by the garrison?

I will answer per PM, because the thread explodes .

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Originally posted by parador
I will answer per PM, because the thread explodes .

Umkay.

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Originally posted by parador
And by the way the same geological changes millions of years ago that created Atlantis raised the level of the island to 25m over the sea level, so there is really enough space.

Theres only one geological change that we agreed on at the very start of the sim and thats Atlantis. Any other change would have to have been made at the start of the sim or at the very least have a general consencus and not pop up out of the blue. Otherwise its assumed that real world geography applies.