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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
China
2 x Koning (10x14", 26.5 kts)
1 x Taipei (9x12", 32 kts)
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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Prelim sims in SS3 suggest Iberia can have the Jupiters turn out in one of the four following variants:
-4x3 15", 30kts. This is the baseline enlarged Mercurio, and is 100% compatable with that class.
-4x2 17.7", 30 kts. This is the baseline with heavier main battery, but protection/speed siimlar to the Mercurios. Better penetration against hard targets in the USN, Atlantean, and SAE fleets, but logistical issues created by a new major gun caliber.
-3x3 15", 32 kts. This would be an enlarged Mercurio with additional machinery rather than firepower. Not necessarily up to a 1:1 brawl with the heavier major power units, but can keep pace with the various AC/BC types and kill most of them pretty handily.
-3x2 17.7", 32 kts. As above, swapping out the main gun type. We get the logistical issues, and they're now incompatible with the Mercurios' speed and gunnery. On the other hand, those big shells will punch through pretty much anything afloat, and they'll deal quite handily with the AC/BC types they encounter.
These latter two types, while not quite equal to the largest foreign battleships, could save the Iberians from having to build ~80,000 t of new armored cruisers in the 1940s.
What are your thoughts? What would you do? Bear in mind we're looking at a decision made ~1939/40
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I must admit that I feel a bit of trepidation, as Wes has already said, at the appearance of Iberian ships via catch-up; naturally, I have not been able to relate back and forth to what they're doing as I plan stuff in France, even though I don't see Iberia as an immediate foe. From my standpoint as France, I could more easily say "Oh, the Iberians are just building fast 9x15" ships; those are similar to what I've got. No response would've been seen as necessary." But if they were the 8x17.7" ships, France would probably have felt a bit compelled to at least study an equivalent vessel (even though France lacks the money to build one). A bit alarming, given the number of countries around France which have exceeded the 15" gun caliber already (Germany, Britain, and the Dutch (!?!?!), and formerly the SAE, though they now figure low on the French naval planning list). Only Italy has retained 15" so far.
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
If you want to stick to 15" because of your supply chain, I propose to reduce size of the Jupiters. Shouldn't be an issue as no design posted matches Iberia's reports. To re-do both design and report could be required anyway. 9x15" on 40kts should do, freeing some tons so you can probably launch a new generation of El Cid's. The latter you may need to hunt/escort carriers, CA and anything else smaller and weaker than a full-size BB. The combination of smaller BB plus super-CA also buys you more hull in total.
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
I dare ask - why 18" as the only possible step up from 15"? What about 16" or 16,54" (420mm)? You get quite a balanced design on 50,000ts. IMHO, 50kts is a waste if fitted with 15" only, though 12x15" might be impressive. But the armor thickness on many modern WesWorld battleships may require more than a 15" shell...
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Kaiser Kirk" (Sep 2nd 2013, 9:16pm)
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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Mac had listed the ships in his sim reports some time ago, so I don't feel a lot of guilt about the hulls showing up in general. Atlantis and others know that there are battleships under construction.
That said, I fully get the concern about the heavier-than-expected caliber. I wouldn't necessary enjoy a similar bombshell going off next door to me.
Edit: And it's my sense that the Iberians lean towards more barrels than heavier shells, which counts for something.
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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
If you want to stick to 15" because of your supply chain, I propose to reduce size of the Jupiters. Shouldn't be an issue as no design posted matches Iberia's reports. To re-do both design and report could be required anyway. 9x15" on 40kts should do, freeing some tons so you can probably launch a new generation of El Cid's. The latter you may need to hunt/escort carriers, CA and anything else smaller and weaker than a full-size BB. The combination of smaller BB plus super-CA also buys you more hull in total.
That's a distinct possibility, I suppose. Lop the ships from 49,000 t to 40,000 t and there's 36,000 t to play with.
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Originally posted by Desertfox
As a player I will have to protest if the Jupiters are reduced in size and the tonnage used elsewhere. Wheater they are 45k tons or 55k tons doesn't affect me, but 40k tons of other more useful smaller ships does affect directly.
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