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[SIZE=3]Pyrénées, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1943[/SIZE]
Displacement:
14,000 t light; 14,562 t standard; 17,236 t normal; 19,375 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
702.10 ft / 702.10 ft x 75.46 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
214.00 m / 214.00 m x 23.00 m x 7.00 m
Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (2x4 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (2x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,763 lbs / 1,253 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135
12 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 0.98" / 25 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 5.12" / 130 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 122,908 shp / 91,690 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,813 tons
Complement:
751 - 977
Cost:
£7.742 million / $30.969 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 296 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 3,343 tons, 19.4 %
- Belts: 914 tons, 5.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 479 tons, 2.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,864 tons, 10.8 %
- Conning Tower: 85 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,174 tons, 18.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,812 tons, 39.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,236 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 2.2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,042 lbs / 12,266 Kg = 110.8 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.14
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.496
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.09 ft / 11.00 m
- Forecastle (26 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.45 ft / 6.84 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.9 %
Waterplane Area: 36,565 Square feet or 3,397 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 139 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 612 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
An interesting take on the Iron Triangle.
They seem somewhat slow compared to the battlecruisers of some other nations, though better protected for their tonnage, and their armament is excellent for the cost.
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[SIZE=3]Alpes, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1943[/SIZE]
Displacement:
14,000 t light; 14,562 t standard; 17,236 t normal; 19,375 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
702.10 ft / 702.10 ft x 75.46 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
214.00 m / 214.00 m x 23.00 m x 7.00 m
Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (2x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,763 lbs / 1,253 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135
12 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 0.98" / 25 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 5.12" / 130 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 122,908 shp / 91,690 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,813 tons
Complement:
751 - 977
Cost:
£7.742 million / $30.969 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 296 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 3,487 tons, 20.2 %
- Belts: 914 tons, 5.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 623 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,864 tons, 10.8 %
- Conning Tower: 85 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,174 tons, 18.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,668 tons, 38.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,236 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 2.2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,623 lbs / 12,076 Kg = 109.1 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.496
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.09 ft / 11.00 m
- Forecastle (26 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.45 ft / 6.84 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.9 %
Waterplane Area: 36,565 Square feet or 3,397 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 599 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.23
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Originally posted by Hood
The two qaud 203mm cruiser is a very interesting idea, leaves the rear free for aircraft or more AA & DP armament. The 4x2 version though has excellent armour, certainly its one of the better CAs I've seen offering a good all-round performance without too much cost.
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Originally posted by Hood
Once, many moons ago, I played with a French-style 4x4 203mm cruiser!
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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
I like the idea of a quad 203 in theory, but reckon the beam would need to be wider.
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[SIZE=3]Alpes, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1943[/SIZE]
Displacement:
14,185 t light; 14,776 t standard; 17,474 t normal; 19,632 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
698.82 ft / 698.82 ft x 75.46 ft x 22.97 ft (normal load)
213.00 m / 213.00 m x 23.00 m x 7.00 m
Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (2x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,763 lbs / 1,253 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
12 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 0.98" / 25 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
42.65 ft / 13.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 124,767 shp / 93,076 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,855 tons
Complement:
759 - 987
Cost:
£7.829 million / $31.315 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 296 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 3,479 tons, 19.9 %
- Belts: 914 tons, 5.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 608 tons, 3.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,872 tons, 10.7 %
- Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,222 tons, 18.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,763 tons, 38.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,289 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 425 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,276 lbs / 12,372 Kg = 111.7 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.505
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.26 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Average freeboard: 22.86 ft / 6.97 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.6 %
Waterplane Area: 36,708 Square feet or 3,410 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 603 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Originally posted by TheCanadian
One thing I find interesting is that the French are using a mixed propulsion system of oil fired boilers with diesel motors.
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Originally posted by Hood
France obviously have an eye to oceanic operations with diesels and steam.
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[SIZE=3]La Fayette class, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1943[/SIZE]
Displacement:
13,710 t light; 14,341 t standard; 16,996 t normal; 19,120 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
698.82 ft / 698.82 ft x 70.87 ft x 23.79 ft (normal load)
213.00 m / 213.00 m x 21.60 m x 7.25 m
Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (6x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
24 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,769 lbs / 1,256 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
12 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 0.98" / 25 mm 262.47 ft / 80.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
42.65 ft / 13.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 122,219 shp / 91,175 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,779 tons
Complement:
743 - 967
Cost:
£7.714 million / $30.854 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 306 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 3,367 tons, 19.8 %
- Belts: 908 tons, 5.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 617 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,758 tons, 10.3 %
- Conning Tower: 84 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,156 tons, 18.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,431 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,286 tons, 19.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 2.6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
25,409 lbs / 11,525 Kg = 104.1 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 15.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.505
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Average freeboard: 22.86 ft / 6.97 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.0 %
Waterplane Area: 34,474 Square feet or 3,203 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 135 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 588 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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