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Sunday, January 2nd 2005, 9:51pm

Ironclads

This is suppose to be the vessel that helped Chile out in the War of the Pacific of 1879-1884 in WesWorld.

I finally found my book on ships of the American Civil War, and have adjusted this vessel to reflect some of those lessons and some of the ships of the time.

Has 100 ton alloted for a full cargo hold.

Arcadia

Pirate Ironclad Cruiser laid down "unknown" (1864 estimated based on technology)

*Armoured Corvette (Broadside ironclad)/with turret*

Displacement:
3,211 t light; 3,354 t standard; 3,900 t normal; 4,321 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
298.00 ft / 290.00 ft x 42.50 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
90.83 m / 88.39 m x 12.95 m x 5.64 m

Armament:
2 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (1x2 guns), 406.08lbs / 184.19kg shells, 1864 Model (smoothbores)
Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret
on centreline forward
6 - 5.47" / 139 mm guns in single mounts, 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 1864 Model
Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 1,112 lbs / 504 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 290.00 ft / 88.39 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 3.00" / 76 mm 43.50 ft / 13.26 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,497 ihp / 1,862 Kw = 13.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 7.00 kts (Bunkerage = 983 tons)

Complement:
246 - 320

Cost:
£0.328 million / $1.313 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 139 tons, 3.6 %
Armour: 752 tons, 19.3 %
- Belts: 323 tons, 8.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 85 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 333 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 708 tons, 18.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,512 tons, 38.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 689 tons, 17.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,075 lbs / 941 Kg = 5.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.599
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.82 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 7.50 ft / 2.29 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Mid (50 %): 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m (6.50 ft / 1.98 m before break)
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 8.14 ft / 2.48 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 46.1 %
Waterplane Area: 9,003 Square feet or 836 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 547 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.66
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


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Monday, January 24th 2005, 7:32am

Or perhaps this? Ironclads are kind of tricky when you are use to more modern vessels. One wonders what the above deck armored gunhouse would be considered "upper armor" and wether in this can the raised quarterdeck would be "end armor" or "the control tower"

This is rough still, but it gives a general impression of the vessels design.



Arcadia

Pirate Ironclad Cruiser laid down "unknown" (1864 estimated based on technology)

*Armoured Corvette (Broadside ironclad)/with turret*

Displacement:
3,210 t light; 3,356 t standard; 3,902 t normal; 4,324 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
298.00 ft / 290.00 ft x 42.50 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
90.83 m / 88.39 m x 12.95 m x 5.64 m

Armament:
2 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (1x2 guns), 406.08lbs / 184.19kg shells, 1864 Model (smoothbore) perhaps upgraded to rifles by 1879.
Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret
on centreline forward
6 - 5.47" / 139 mm guns in single mounts, 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 1864 Model
Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
on side, all amidships
1 - 5.47" / 139 mm guns in single mounts, 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 1864 Model
Muzzle loading gun in deck mount
on the aft deck
Weight of broadside 1,162 lbs / 527 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 247.00 ft / 75.29 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 43.00 ft / 13.11 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Upper: 3.00" / 76 mm 60.00 ft / 18.29 m 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,100 ihp / 1,566 Kw = 12.39 kts
Range 5,000nm at 7.00 kts (Bunkerage = 983 tons)

Complement:
246 - 320

Cost:
£0.318 million / $1.271 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 145 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 822 tons, 21.1 %
- Belts: 392 tons, 10.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 87 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 333 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 595 tons, 15.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,547 tons, 39.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 693 tons, 17.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,296 lbs / 1,041 Kg = 5.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.599
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.82 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Mid (50 %): 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m (7.00 ft / 2.13 m before break)
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 8.43 ft / 2.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 48.8 %
Waterplane Area: 9,006 Square feet or 837 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.65
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


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Friday, January 28th 2005, 4:41am

Arcadia

The six gun ports are for if the entire broadside is shifted to one side. Or is that too much? I know it would take time to turn three guns around to fit them to opposing gun ports.

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Tuesday, February 1st 2005, 4:44am

Cool

There is a chance this ship "could" be made into a miniature. When and if it comes out, maybe it can be sold....as there in nothing like it that I know of in modeling. It might have another name then, but still, a turreted casemate ironclad.

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Tuesday, February 1st 2005, 4:28pm

Now that sounds interesting. :-)