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I Springsharped a rebuilt Amiral Murescu with relined main and secondary armament, and the same dp guns as in the Regeles, with a top speed of now 21 knots.

Amiral Murescu , Romania Battleship laid down 1939

Displacement:
16,119 t light; 17,152 t standard; 17,983 t normal; 18,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
448.00 ft / 448.00 ft x 80.30 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
136.55 m / 136.55 m x 24.48 m x 8.08 m

Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 9.44" / 240 mm guns (4x2 guns), 420.62lbs / 190.79kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 74.86lbs / 33.96kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,573 lbs / 3,435 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 156.78 ft / 47.79 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 25.52 ft / 7.78 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 11.0" / 279 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm

- Armour deck: 8.00" / 203 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 28,856 shp / 21,527 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,497 tons

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£8.545 million / $34.180 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 947 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 8,801 tons, 48.9 %
- Belts: 2,620 tons, 14.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 825 tons, 4.6 %
- Armament: 1,061 tons, 5.9 %
- Armour Deck: 4,117 tons, 22.9 %
- Conning Tower: 177 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 781 tons, 4.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,441 tons, 30.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,864 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,903 lbs / 12,656 Kg = 32.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 15.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.660
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.28 ft / 7.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Stern: 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Average freeboard: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.2 %
Waterplane Area: 27,817 Square feet or 2,584 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 695 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.88
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

and beef up those barbettes. Otherwise you'll have 152mm guns causing magazine explosions...

300mm for the main and ~220mm for the secondaries oughta do.

For a rebuild, keep the original keel-laying date for the hull, and the use refit date for the engines and guns, if new.

Did what you suggested, and had about .11 left to play with so I dropped displacement, and dramatically increased the CT. Just remember everyone that this ship could be facing 16in shellfire.

Amiral Murescu, Romania Battleship laid down 1907 (Engine 1939)

Displacement:
15,991 t light; 17,024 t standard; 17,850 t normal; 18,511 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
448.00 ft / 448.00 ft x 80.30 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
136.55 m / 136.55 m x 24.48 m x 8.08 m

Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 9.44" / 240 mm guns (4x2 guns), 420.62lbs / 190.79kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 70.55lbs / 32.00kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,589 lbs / 3,442 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 156.78 ft / 47.79 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Upper: 9.00" / 229 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 25.52 ft / 7.78 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 9.00" / 229 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 9.00" / 229 mm

- Armour deck: 6.00" / 152 mm, Conning tower: 16.00" / 406 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 28,668 shp / 21,386 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,487 tons

Complement:
771 - 1,003

Cost:
£1.470 million / $5.878 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 954 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 8,563 tons, 48.0 %
- Belts: 2,864 tons, 16.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 825 tons, 4.6 %
- Armament: 1,565 tons, 8.8 %
- Armour Deck: 3,074 tons, 17.2 %
- Conning Tower: 235 tons, 1.3 %
Machinery: 776 tons, 4.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,548 tons, 31.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,859 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,832 lbs / 12,171 Kg = 31.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.655
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.28 ft / 7.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Stern: 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Average freeboard: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.4 %
Waterplane Area: 27,694 Square feet or 2,573 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 711 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.86
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Switched the 8 9.44 for 4 more 12in.

Amiral Murescu, Romania Battleship laid down 1907 (Engine 1939)

Displacement:
16,133 t light; 17,152 t standard; 17,983 t normal; 18,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
448.00 ft / 448.00 ft x 80.30 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
136.55 m / 136.55 m x 24.48 m x 8.08 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 74.86lbs / 33.96kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (5 mounts), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,723 lbs / 3,503 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 156.78 ft / 47.79 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Upper: 9.00" / 229 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 25.52 ft / 7.78 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -

- Armour deck: 6.00" / 152 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 30,261 shp / 22,575 Kw = 21.25 kts
Range 2,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,497 tons

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£1.490 million / $5.961 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 965 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 8,657 tons, 48.1 %
- Belts: 2,864 tons, 15.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 825 tons, 4.6 %
- Armament: 1,703 tons, 9.5 %
- Armour Deck: 3,088 tons, 17.2 %
- Conning Tower: 177 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 819 tons, 4.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,542 tons, 30.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,850 tons, 10.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,424 lbs / 11,986 Kg = 30.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.660
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.28 ft / 7.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Stern: 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Average freeboard: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.2 %
Waterplane Area: 27,817 Square feet or 2,584 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 708 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.80
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

New barbettes are a 75% rebuild, vice a 50% rebuild.

If you want to make her all 12" guns while keeping costs down, replace the 240mm twins with 305mm singles.

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Originally posted by AdmKuznetsov
New barbettes are a 75% rebuild, vice a 50% rebuild.

If you want to make her all 12" guns while keeping costs down, replace the 240mm twins with 305mm singles.

Or, for some measure of commonality with your cruisers, you could replace the 12" guns with 11.1" guns and the 240mm twins with single 11.1" mounts.

Whoops forgot to change the above freeboard from 2 to 4. Basically im trying to change her from a PDN to a DN BB. Heres the revised design, although I had to lighten the main belt to 11in, although thats still heavier than original.

Amiral Murescu, Romania Battleship laid down 1907 (Engine 1939)

Displacement:
16,133 t light; 17,152 t standard; 17,983 t normal; 18,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
448.00 ft / 448.00 ft x 80.30 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
136.55 m / 136.55 m x 24.48 m x 8.08 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 74.86lbs / 33.96kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (5 mounts), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,723 lbs / 3,503 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 156.78 ft / 47.79 m 10.75 ft / 3.28 m
Upper: 9.00" / 229 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 291.20 ft / 88.76 m 25.52 ft / 7.78 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -

- Armour deck: 6.00" / 152 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 28,856 shp / 21,527 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,497 tons

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£1.485 million / $5.940 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 965 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 8,561 tons, 47.6 %
- Belts: 2,724 tons, 15.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 825 tons, 4.6 %
- Armament: 1,747 tons, 9.7 %
- Armour Deck: 3,088 tons, 17.2 %
- Conning Tower: 177 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 781 tons, 4.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,676 tons, 31.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,850 tons, 10.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,253 lbs / 11,908 Kg = 30.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.660
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.28 ft / 7.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Stern: 14.82 ft / 4.52 m
- Average freeboard: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.2 %
Waterplane Area: 27,817 Square feet or 2,584 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 725 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.79
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

I think you're leaving the realm of what is likely and entering the realm of the improbable. My advice? Use a lightly-modernized Amiral Murescu as a training ship, and build another Regele if you simply MUST have another capital ship.

Russia has kept Estafey around for that.

I really don't consider the Regeles capital ships. They are more of a coast defence ship.

I have to agree that getting new 305mm guns will be difficult. Also it will turn into a 75% refit. If you really want more 305mm guns I prefer the Russian's advice, will be cheaper.

Hmm maybe ill just go with the original plan of modernization, thats the second design btw. I really don't have the resources to build anymore capital ships.

Given the age and size of the hull, it wouldn't be worth rebuilding her into anything other than a training ship or bombardment vessel.