You are not logged in.

Dear visitor, welcome to WesWorld. If this is your first visit here, please read the Help. It explains in detail how this page works. To use all features of this page, you should consider registering. Please use the registration form, to register here or read more information about the registration process. If you are already registered, please login here.

1

Friday, February 8th 2008, 11:46pm

Ersatz Sofia

Bulgaria has an ancient (1898) pre-dreadnought that ought to be replaced or retired.

Here is what I'm thinking of replacing her with: a baaaby flattop.

*Watches the Romanians panic and try to build their own to counter.*

I designed two versions, one with bulges and one without. The ship itself can carry 44 aircraft based on dimensions, with the bulged version being able to take 38 and the unbulged version 33. Not entirely coincidentally I purchased 18 dive-bombers fitted with arrestor hooks, as a "just in case" if I decide she's worth the trouble to build.

The hull dimensions are based off the Turkish Ankara-class light cruisers, which I'm probably going to build to replace my High Seas Fleet vintage "cruisers". (Why in the world Bulgaria got those cruisers is a mystery, because they would have been ancient in WWI, let alone in 1933 when they were purchased...)

Quoted

Ersatz Sofia (with bulges), Bulgarian Light Carrier laid down 1937

Displacement:
7,666 t light; 7,873 t standard; 8,514 t normal; 9,027 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
573.13 ft / 565.43 ft x 59.06 ft (Bulges 63.00 ft) x 16.73 ft (normal load)
174.69 m / 172.34 m x 18.00 m (Bulges 19.20 m) x 5.10 m

Armament:
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 264 lbs / 120 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 240

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 356.96 ft / 108.80 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 68,234 shp / 50,903 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,154 tons

Complement:
443 - 576

Cost:
£3.059 million / $12.235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 33 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 1,286 tons, 15.1 %
- Belts: 544 tons, 6.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 35 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 672 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,891 tons, 22.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,955 tons, 34.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 848 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,500 tons, 17.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,486 lbs / 5,210 Kg = 552.4 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.04
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.75 ft / 8.76 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (17.22 ft / 5.25 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Stern: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Average freeboard: 18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.3 %
Waterplane Area: 23,138 Square feet or 2,150 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 413 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.14
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

38 aircraft can be carried.




Quoted

Ersatz Sofia (without bulges), Bulgarian Light Carrier laid down 1937

Displacement:
7,168 t light; 7,365 t standard; 7,981 t normal; 8,475 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
573.13 ft / 565.43 ft x 59.06 ft x 16.73 ft (normal load)
174.69 m / 172.34 m x 18.00 m x 5.10 m

Armament:
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 264 lbs / 120 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 240

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 356.96 ft / 108.80 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 65,300 shp / 48,714 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,110 tons

Complement:
421 - 548

Cost:
£2.902 million / $11.607 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 33 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 1,285 tons, 16.1 %
- Belts: 544 tons, 6.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 35 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 672 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,810 tons, 22.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,840 tons, 35.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 813 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,200 tons, 15.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,250 lbs / 5,103 Kg = 541.1 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.23 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.75 ft / 8.76 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (17.22 ft / 5.25 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Stern: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Average freeboard: 18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 180.3 %
Waterplane Area: 23,138 Square feet or 2,150 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 403 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.17
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

33 aircraft can be carried.


So, opinions? A good use of my limited materials, or a waste of time?

2

Friday, February 8th 2008, 11:51pm

I was actualy thinking of doing the same thing (Im still trying to talk myself out of it)

3

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:01am

Well frankly unless you intend to get some colonies I don´t see the point with a CVL in the Black sea

4

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:15am

I'd have to agree with Vukovlad, Turkey doesn't even have a need for a CVL at the moment as she doesn't have any territorys that need a projection force to protect supply lines.

I think Bulgaria is already heading down the right path by ordering several CL's which could protect supply lines to Russia. A floatplane cruiser might be possible though, an Ankara type with floatplane facility's aft instead of a third triple turret.

5

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:18am

Contribution to an allied fleet? im not to sure on the why, I can give all the why nots. Example you are fighting Russia, your fleet is basicly Hosed anyway BB CVL CL DD dosnt realy matter they have more. (Basicly the same situation im in with Italy) anyone realy has to come to you bringing them in range of land based aircraft, and small fast ships.

My plan was for more of a Hybrid.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Tanthalas" (Feb 9th 2008, 12:20am)


6

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:34am

Quoted

I think Bulgaria is already heading down the right path by ordering several CL's which could protect supply lines to Russia. A floatplane cruiser might be possible though, an Ankara type with floatplane facility's aft instead of a third triple turret.

Hm. Will redesign along these lines, then.

7

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:40am

Quoted

Originally posted by Tanthalas
Contribution to an allied fleet? im not to sure on the why, I can give all the why nots. Example you are fighting Russia, your fleet is basicly Hosed anyway BB CVL CL DD dosnt realy matter they have more. (Basicly the same situation im in with Italy) anyone realy has to come to you bringing them in range of land based aircraft, and small fast ships.

My plan was for more of a Hybrid.


Thats exactly what I just preposed as well, a hybrid cruiser. Almost certainly Russia will be the big source of raw materials, iron ore and oil so thats the only real soft spot for Bulgaria naval wise.

There are only three other nations in the black sea, Turkey, Byzantium and Romania. Only one of those nations is a potential threat. Russia isn't worth even considering as an enemy, a David vs. Goliath on steroids in full body armour and why make an enemy out of your biggest supply basket?

A floatplane cruiser would give you the eyes to see any potential Romanian threats developing against convoy's, potentially even against subs.

8

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:48am

True, I guess it would be a bit like the OTL Swedish cruiser Gotland...

9

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 12:54am

Exactly, I've given some thought to this type of ship as well for advanced scouting purposes. Its good to know where and how large the enemy force is so the decision between "Fight or flight" can be made much easier.

HoOmAn

Keeper of the Sacred Block Coefficient

  • Send private message

10

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 1:08am

I won´t even go for Gotland. Just cancel the idea you need anything above 4000ts. There is no need for airborne elements if you have some recce squadrons based on land.

I´d build/buy two modern 4000ts CLs as flotilla leaders and flag ships and add a flotilla of DDs for each to lead. Then I´d focuse on mine warfare, getting me one or two purpose build minelayers and several flotillas of multi-purpose minesweepers/escorts like the OTL German M-classes. Add a floatilla of coastal subs and several floatillas consisting of 100ts coastal minesweepers (like OTL German R-class) and S-Boats and you´ll have your fleet.

If you need something more exciting (but less effective) you could also lay down/buy a 4000ts-6000ts CDS but I think you´d be better off with the CLs.

Here´s what your new flag ship could look like:

DL35-4000, Flotilla Leader laid down 1935

Displacement:
3.877 t light; 4.054 t standard; 4.415 t normal; 4.704 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
456,49 ft / 442,91 ft x 44,29 ft x 16,24 ft (normal load)
139,14 m / 135,00 m x 13,50 m x 4,95 m

Armament:
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 110,23lbs / 50,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 20,79lbs / 9,43kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
6 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 758 lbs / 344 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 387,14 ft / 118,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 134% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,38" / 35 mm 1,97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,59" / 15 mm -
3rd: 0,59" / 15 mm - -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56.301 shp / 42.000 Kw = 33,10 kts
Range 5.000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 650 tons

Complement:
270 - 352

Cost:
£2,206 million / $8,823 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 89 tons, 2,0%
Armour: 714 tons, 16,2%
- Belts: 358 tons, 8,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 112 tons, 2,5%
- Armour Deck: 244 tons, 5,5%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 1.589 tons, 36,0%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.454 tons, 32,9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 537 tons, 12,2%
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0,7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2.417 lbs / 1.096 Kg = 23,5 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
Metacentric height 1,7 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 14,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,485
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,59 ft / 7,80 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20,83 ft / 6,35 m
- Mid (58%): 20,83 ft / 6,35 m (12,96 ft / 3,95 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 12,96 ft / 3,95 m
- Stern: 12,96 ft / 3,95 m
- Average freeboard: 17,91 ft / 5,46 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96,2%
Waterplane Area: 13.405 Square feet or 1.245 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 292 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,68
- Longitudinal: 1,82
- Overall: 0,75
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

HoOmAn

Keeper of the Sacred Block Coefficient

  • Send private message

11

Saturday, February 9th 2008, 1:18am

Your Ersatz Sofia CDS might look like this:

South African Designed Coast Defence Ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
5.712 t light; 6.039 t standard; 6.519 t normal; 6.902 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
504,89 ft / 492,13 ft x 61,68 ft x 12,96 ft (normal load)
153,89 m / 150,00 m x 18,80 m x 3,95 m

Armament:
6 - 9,84" / 250 mm guns (2x3 guns), 524,70lbs / 238,00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (6 mounts), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3.458 lbs / 1.569 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5,12" / 130 mm 209,97 ft / 64,00 m 10,50 ft / 3,20 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 66% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 5,91" / 150 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,59" / 15 mm -
3rd: 0,59" / 15 mm - -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 13.405 shp / 10.000 Kw = 21,14 kts
Range 5.000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 863 tons

Complement:
362 - 471

Cost:
£2,984 million / $11,936 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 396 tons, 6,1%
Armour: 1.709 tons, 26,2%
- Belts: 526 tons, 8,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 357 tons, 5,5%
- Armour Deck: 827 tons, 12,7%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 381 tons, 5,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.226 tons, 49,5%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 807 tons, 12,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11.810 lbs / 5.357 Kg = 24,8 x 9,8 " / 250 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 14,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,580
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Forecastle (30%): 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
- Mid (70%): 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
- Stern: 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
- Average freeboard: 12,83 ft / 3,91 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65,4%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115,5%
Waterplane Area: 22.699 Square feet or 2.109 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 553 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,00
- Longitudinal: 1,01
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

12

Sunday, February 10th 2008, 2:10pm

Small carriers have severe limits on their usefulness. This one is like a smaller Ryujo. Stability and space are the main problems. For a reasonably useful ship, a single hangar design with large freeboard is probably best. But the aircraft complement will probably be around 20 at the very most. Maybe 10 if we go from Hermes

13

Tuesday, February 19th 2008, 10:46pm

I revisited this concept since Romania seems set on pursuing a light carrier, whereas I've talked myself out of it. Here's my response: build a third Bulgarian Danube-class light cruiser, replacing the aft turret with gear for more aircraft.


(Drawing by thesmilingassassin and modified by me...)

Quoted

Iskar (Ersatz Sofia), Bulgarian Light Floatplane Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
7,114 t light; 7,365 t standard; 7,981 t normal; 8,475 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
573.13 ft / 565.43 ft x 59.06 ft x 16.73 ft (normal load)
174.69 m / 172.34 m x 18.00 m x 5.10 m

Armament:
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (2x3 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 840 lbs / 381 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
16 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 356.96 ft / 108.80 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
5th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 65,300 shp / 48,714 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,110 tons

Complement:
421 - 548

Cost:
£3.221 million / $12.885 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 105 tons, 1.3 %
Armour: 1,449 tons, 18.2 %
- Belts: 544 tons, 6.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 199 tons, 2.5 %
- Armour Deck: 672 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,810 tons, 22.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,175 tons, 39.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 867 tons, 10.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 575 tons, 7.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,497 lbs / 5,215 Kg = 111.6 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 13.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.23 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.75 ft / 8.76 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (17.22 ft / 5.25 m aft of break)
- Mid (60 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Stern: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Average freeboard: 18.71 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.8 %
Waterplane Area: 23,138 Square feet or 2,150 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 451 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


The alternate plan may be to build two 3,000-ton destroyer leaders or built 3000t of minelayers every quarter :D

14

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 12:19am

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
I revisited this concept since Romania seems set on pursuing a light carrier, whereas I've talked myself out of it.

Im going to pursue a light carrier in1945 however until then my naval build plans are to replace my old austrian CLs, as well as replace my old destroyers, and build some submarines. Should Russia decide to build a cruiser killer, I shall probably respond with a small BC (around 25000) 12 in guns. Also, the dive/torpedo bombers are for land based squadrons, not for use on carriers.

15

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 12:24am

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
...and build some submarines.

This is why I am building a fleet of subchasers. :D

HoOmAn

Keeper of the Sacred Block Coefficient

  • Send private message

16

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 12:58am

Not sure if those planes are in scale. They look a bit small, though.

I doubt you can store any planes below deck on her stern. There´s not enough hull volume, methinks, due to her hull form. I also think you´ll need the room for crew quarters because there is not much space elsewhere.

Anyway, should you go ahead with the idea - why do you need scuttles when there are hangars?

17

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 1:06am

Why would Russia need a cruiser killer...

Quoted

Should Russia decide to build a cruiser killer, I shall probably respond with a small BC (around 25000) 12 in guns.


to hunt down cruisers that only go one knot faster than the reconstructed Sevastopol? And how would a BC with 12" guns help against a ship well-armored against 12" guns and mounting 15" guns?

18

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 1:38am

I agree with Hoo, a Tromp style ship is also more expendable.

Cheers,

Kaiser Kirk

Lightbringer and former European Imperialist

  • Send private message

19

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 2:16am

I think the flattop is probably not needed at this time.
However, relying on land-based aerial recon is limiting as well. So a floatplane cruiser- I'm thinking more along the lines of Tone would be a reasonable first filler.

One the concept of allied force.... I don't dismiss a CVL or BCL once you have your light units in order- though defining the OPFOR they match against is important. For a CVL I would likely take the armored carrier route, with a large fighter contingent. However, as you identify long term strategic partnerships, you can build your fleet to enhance it's attractiveness as an allied force.

Look at the recent French-Anglo accord, that freed the French from the channel- one could assume resp. for the Black Sea routes of another, or send units to physically aid them.

20

Wednesday, February 20th 2008, 2:17am

I don't see the point in carriers, or seaplane cruisers, for either Rumania or Bulgaria. Land-based aircraft will dominate the Black Sea, there's no reason to try to fit a carrier onto that body of water (just like there's little to no reason to do so in the Baltic).