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Does this look ok?
I'm about convert the Bornholms, and want a Yay or Nay from a few members that I can work from the SS2 version.

SS1 first......
Bornholm, Denmark CL laid down 1921

Displacement:
7,402 t light; 7,667 t standard; 8,729 t normal; 9,544 t full load
Loading submergence 536 tons/feet

Dimensions:
500.00 ft x 57.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
152.40 m x 17.37 m x 6.10 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
8 - 3.00" / 76 mm AA guns
12 - 0.50" / 13 mm guns
Weight of broadside 1,081 lbs / 490 kg
16 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
Belt 2.00" / 51 mm, upper belt 1.00" / 25 mm, ends unarmoured
Belts cover 130 % of normal area
Main turrets 1.75" / 44 mm, AA gun shields 0.50" / 13 mm, Light gun shields 0.50" / 13 mm
Armour deck 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 87,223 shp / 65,069 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 13,500nm at 12.00 kts

Complement:
451 - 587

Cost:
£2.019 million / $8.075 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 135 tons, 1.5 %
Armour: 977 tons, 11.2 %
Belts: 458 tons, 5.3 %, Armament: 153 tons, 1.8 %, Armour Deck: 347 tons, 4.0 %
Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,004 tons, 34.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,211 tons, 36.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,327 tons, 15.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.9 %

Metacentric height 2.9

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.18
Shellfire needed to sink: 7,342 lbs / 3,330 Kg = 68.0 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.1
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 70 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.41
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.536
Sharpness coefficient: 0.36
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.43
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim: 57
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 124.5 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 130.5 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 107 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.92
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 97 lbs / square foot or 474 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.11
(for 23.00 ft / 7.01 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 8.26 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00

First of the "Island" class cruisers, "Bornholm" and her sister ship "Falster" are due to commission in the first quarter of 1923.
These vessels have been selected to trail the "Hugin" system.


and now, the SS2 version.......
Bornholm, Denmark CL laid down 1921

Displacement:
7,382 t light; 7,677 t standard; 8,729 t normal; 9,571 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
500.00 ft / 500.00 ft x 57.00 ft x 19.50 ft (normal load)
152.40 m / 152.40 m x 17.37 m x 5.94 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3 mounts), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1921 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised gun
6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1921 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1921 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1,054 lbs / 478 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
16 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1.00" / 25 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.75" / 44 mm 1.25" / 32 mm 1.25" / 32 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1.50" / 38 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 87,807 shp / 65,504 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 13,500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,894 tons

Complement:
450 - 586

Cost:
£2.017 million / $8.067 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 132 tons, 1.5 %
Armour: 803 tons, 9.2 %
- Belts: 308 tons, 3.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 113 tons, 1.3 %
- Armour Deck: 368 tons, 4.2 %
- Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 3,024 tons, 34.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,349 tons, 38.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,347 tons, 15.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,765 lbs / 3,522 Kg = 71.9 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.77 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Mid (65 %): 26.00 ft / 7.92 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Stern: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Average freeboard: 23.09 ft / 7.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.1 %
Waterplane Area: 19,885 Square feet or 1,847 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 457 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.76
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The "Island" class cruisers are the to be commissioned into the KDM in 1923.
The first 2 ships of the class, "Bornholm" and "Falster" have been selected
to trial the "Hugin" system in advance of future deployment on other vessels.

The conversion to SS2 looks to be good to my eyes. Didn't see anything too out of whack...

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Originally posted by Commodore Green
These vessels have been selected to trail the "Hugin" system.

I presume that's some form of radar, judging from the name?

Something like a Hein Mat?

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
The conversion to SS2 looks to be good to my eyes. Didn't see anything too out of whack...

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Originally posted by Commodore Green
These vessels have been selected to trail the "Hugin" system.

I presume that's some form of radar, judging from the name?

In 1923?
I think I might have been stoned by the masses for suggesting it!

No, something far simplier and even elegent.....

Oh, I thought you were implying they were *going* to trial the system, not that they'd done so in the 1920s. So what's the Hugin system, then? I couldn't find any reference to it via the search engine.

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Originally posted by eltf177
Something like a Hein Mat?

no, wrong line of thought, Bornholms didn't handle seaplanes.....

Is it "Hugin" as it says in the intro, or "Hunin" as it says in the weight breakdown at the bottom of the sim?

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Oh, I thought you were implying they were *going* to trial the system, not that they'd done so in the 1920s. So what's the Hugin system, then? I couldn't find any reference to it via the search engine.

Think of "Hugin" as being a larger 2 seat version of the "Focke-Achgelis FA 330 Bachstelze ", only used once in combat, against Indian forces during the Andaman Sea Crisis, successfully.

A smaller single seat version, the "Mugin", is also in service.

That's got to be one of Wesworld's best kept secrets, only 17 game years for it to come out into the open.
Definetely up there with the "missing" Kongos........

The only external reference I found to the "Hugin system" was to an autonomous underwater vehicle manufactured by Kongsberg. I doubt that's the case, eh?

Damn, you're quick!
Bet me to the reply!

So, it's a system for towing an autogyro behind the ship to improve spotting range?

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Originally posted by Sachmle
So, it's a system for towing an autogyro behind the ship to improve spotting range?

SPOT on, my good man!

I'd presume as floatplanes became easier to stow and launch from smaller ships this idea became superfluous and deemed no longer worth while?

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Originally posted by Commodore Green
That's got to be one of Wesworld's best kept secrets, only 17 game years for it to come out into the open.

I've probably seen the mention in the encyclopedia, but it was before my time, so I never asked. *Shrug*

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I couldn't find any reference to it via the search engine.

Brock, you'll find more with the search option if you enter "Huginn" instead of "Hugin". Those Danish fiends decided to confuse us by omitting the last 'n' in the name making it unfindable with Wesworld's search function.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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I couldn't find any reference to it via the search engine.

Brock, you'll find more with the search option if you enter "Huginn" instead of "Hugin". Those Danish fiends decided to confuse us by omitting the last 'n' in the name making it unfindable with Wesworld's search function.

Ah, and a fiendishly effective strategy it was, too...

CG, you know, I told you back in 2005 that it was useless. Now I know why I said that.

I did realize back then that it was for spotting (thanks to the clue you gave then), but I never realized that it was an autogyro used for the spotting.

However, having looked around, at one point you mentioned that 10 tons of the 100 tons on one ship was for the Huginn... Being an aircraft, the minimum required for one machine is 25 tons, not 10 tons.

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Originally posted by Sachmle
I'd presume as floatplanes became easier to stow and launch from smaller ships this idea became superfluous and deemed no longer worth while?

The Germans experimented with using their Gyrokite on subs so its likely to stick around in wesworld.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
However, having looked around, at one point you mentioned that 10 tons of the 100 tons on one ship was for the Huginn... Being an aircraft, the minimum required for one machine is 25 tons, not 10 tons.

Normally I would agree, but seeing as its a kite without an engine that removes quite abit of needed stores.

I actually had a similar wild idea for Chile: using a kite or balloon to raise a radar antennae to improve over-the-horizon sight-lines. I might even test it sooner or later (though it won't exactly ever work, for a host of reasons).