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Improved Psara type CL. The main belt is thinner (4.75" vs 5") but deeper and longer. Added armor protection to the secondary and light AA guns. Switched the 5" to DP as these had been used on the Lysandros BBs so I figured they were in service weapons. Speed increased as well. Comments please.

Anatolia, Greece Light Cruiser laid down 1940

Displacement:
8,990 t light; 9,364 t standard; 10,405 t normal; 11,238 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
620.00 ft / 610.00 ft x 66.33 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
188.98 m / 185.93 m x 20.22 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,380 lbs / 626 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.75" / 121 mm 350.00 ft / 106.68 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70,000 shp / 52,220 Kw = 31.43 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,873 tons

Complement:
514 - 669

Cost:
£4.330 million / $17.319 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 173 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 2,403 tons, 23.1 %
- Belts: 854 tons, 8.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 252 tons, 2.4 %
- Armour Deck: 1,297 tons, 12.5 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,872 tons, 18.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,044 tons, 38.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,415 tons, 13.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 4.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
16,399 lbs / 7,439 Kg = 151.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.20 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.04 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
- Mid (65 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 17.90 ft / 5.46 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.3 %
Waterplane Area: 28,035 Square feet or 2,605 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.06
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Seems a bit big for the armament, but that might be just me. Lot of miscellaneous weight, too. Otherwise pretty good.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Seems a bit big for the armament, but that might be just me. Lot of miscellaneous weight, too. Otherwise pretty good.

1)True. I was thinking w/ the added lenght/beam I may be able to squeeze two more twin 5" on the sides.
1a) I'd like to go 4x3x6", but don't know if Greece has a triple 6" yet.

2) Just copied what Alt_Naval had for the Psara and added 20 tons since she's bigger. Could cut it down, but I'm not quite familiar with what weighs what here. I know it's more of a 'agreement based on reasonableness" but some 'ballpark' figures would help.

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Originally posted by Sachmle
Just copied what Alt_Naval had for the Psara and added 20 tons since she's bigger. Could cut it down, but I'm not quite familiar with what weighs what here. I know it's more of a 'agreement based on reasonableness" but some 'ballpark' figures would help.

Generally I try to assign about 1-2% of the ship's light displacement. The Callao I designed for Alvama is an exception, where I used 500 tons to represent a Tone-inspired aviation setup aft. It seems to be about par for other ships in the sim.

Went w/ 2% for Misc weight. Also tried 4x3x6" AND adding 2 more twin 5"DP. Cost me some belt armor (.5" thickness, .5' height, and 21' length) and barbette (3.5" vs 4") but allowed me to up the face armor to 3.5"(from 3") and the side/top armor to 1.75"(from 1"). Lost 0.03kts but added CT armor. Ended up being 40t lighter over all.


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Anatolia, Greece Light Cruiser laid down 1940

Displacement:
8,950 t light; 9,406 t standard; 10,449 t normal; 11,284 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
620.00 ft / 610.00 ft x 66.66 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
188.98 m / 185.93 m x 20.32 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,062 lbs / 935 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 329.00 ft / 100.28 m 11.50 ft / 3.51 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.50" / 89 mm 1.75" / 44 mm 3.50" / 89 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 0.50" / 13 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 0.50" / 13 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70,000 shp / 52,220 Kw = 31.40 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,878 tons

Complement:
516 - 671

Cost:
£4.751 million / $19.004 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 258 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 2,302 tons, 22.0 %
- Belts: 656 tons, 6.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 313 tons, 3.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,303 tons, 12.5 %
- Conning Tower: 31 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,872 tons, 17.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,338 tons, 41.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,499 tons, 14.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15,900 lbs / 7,212 Kg = 147.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.15 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.04 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
- Mid (65 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 17.90 ft / 5.46 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.6 %
Waterplane Area: 28,165 Square feet or 2,617 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 533 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Why have a range of 9000nm at 15kn on a greek cruiser locked to the Med?

Probably to annoy the Turks and any other nation along the Med who do not like the Greek.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Why have a range of 9000nm at 15kn on a greek cruiser locked to the Med?

Likely for the same reason Greece has 6 carriers.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Why have a range of 9000nm at 15kn on a greek cruiser locked to the Med?

Just copied alt_naval's last CL, the Psara class, and made some updates.

I agree wholeheartedly that that much range is excessive for the Med.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Likely for the same reason Greece has 6 carriers.

Probably.

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Originally posted by Sachmle

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Why have a range of 9000nm at 15kn on a greek cruiser locked to the Med?

Just copied alt_naval's last CL, the Psara class, and made some updates.

I agree wholeheartedly that that much range is excessive for the Med.

Unless, of course, one proposes to go everywhere at high speed. It's 1,451 nautical miles from Souda Bay on Crete to Gibraltar: there and back, this ship could maintain 21 knots or so depending on machinery characteristics and the powering curve. That would make life difficult for submarines and complicate the use of maritime aircraft by enlarging the search area.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Likely for the same reason Greece has 6 carriers.

Probably.

Trying to move bankruptcy forward?