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BB Masinissa (Improved Philomedes), Atlantean Battleship laid down 1936

Ship names: Masinissa, Mathayus

Displacement:
41,515 t light; 43,914 t standard; 48,470 t normal; 52,115 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
785.20 ft / 765.00 ft x 110.00 ft x 32.00 ft (normal load)
239.33 m / 233.17 m x 33.53 m x 9.75 m

Armament:
9 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
24 - 5.10" / 130 mm guns (12x2 guns), 66.33lbs / 30.09kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
16 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
28 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (7x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 16,819 lbs / 7,629 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 460.00 ft / 140.21 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.15" / 55 mm 460.00 ft / 140.21 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 11.7" / 297 mm 15.0" / 381 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.58" / 40 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.50" / 165 mm, Conning tower: 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 115,000 shp / 85,790 Kw = 28.02 kts
Range 15,300nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,201 tons

Complement:
1,633 - 2,123

Cost:
£19.355 million / $77.418 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,102 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 17,655 tons, 36.4 %
- Belts: 4,800 tons, 9.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,171 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 3,635 tons, 7.5 %
- Armour Deck: 7,937 tons, 16.4 %
- Conning Tower: 113 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 3,227 tons, 6.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 18,330 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,956 tons, 14.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
84,551 lbs / 38,352 Kg = 50.1 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 14.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 6.9 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.630
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.95 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 32.05 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.60 ft / 9.94 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.60 ft / 6.89 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.60 ft / 6.89 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.60 ft / 6.89 m
- Stern: 22.60 ft / 6.89 m
- Average freeboard: 23.40 ft / 7.13 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174.0 %
Waterplane Area: 66,000 Square feet or 6,132 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 209 lbs/sq ft or 1,021 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.04
- Longitudinal: 1.41
- Overall: 1.07
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

In addition to a follow on batch of J type destroyers, under the I designation, Atlantis will be laying down a new standard type also available for export. Orriginally designed to an Irish specification the "K" class mounts an additional 5.1" turret. One ship is building for Ireland.


Designed by Brockpaine

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Eire, Irish Destroyer laid down 1936

Displacement:
1,688 t light; 1,790 t standard; 2,029 t normal; 2,221 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
394.37 ft / 385.00 ft x 36.00 ft x 12.20 ft (normal load)
120.20 m / 117.35 m x 10.97 m x 3.72 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.40kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 546 lbs / 248 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
10 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -

- Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 38,156 shp / 28,464 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 5,400nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 431 tons

Complement:
150 - 196

Cost:
£1.271 million / $5.085 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 68 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 33 tons, 1.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 28 tons, 1.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 891 tons, 43.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 650 tons, 32.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 341 tons, 16.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 45 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
705 lbs / 320 Kg = 10.5 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.420
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.69 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.75 ft / 7.85 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.50 ft / 6.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.50 ft / 6.25 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 16.67 ft / 5.08 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 170.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.2 %
Waterplane Area: 8,970 Square feet or 833 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 175 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.24
- Overall: 0.58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
In addition to a follow on batch of J type destroyers, under the I designation, Atlantis will be laying down a new standard type also available for export. Orriginally designed to an Irish specification the "K" class mounts an additional 5.1" turret. One ship is building for Ireland.

Behold the Irish flagship! Ain't she purty?

Well, she´s definetively a beauty. Looks more like small cruiser than a DD to me.

Wes, that BB is a fine designed, carefully continueing your design tree. I like that much better than all those mega-monster-BBs now planned or laid down everywhere. The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them..... And of course those knots would have cost you either armor, armament or money (as you would have to increase size).

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
In addition to a follow on batch of J type destroyers, under the I designation, Atlantis will be laying down a new standard type also available for export. Orriginally designed to an Irish specification the "K" class mounts an additional 5.1" turret. One ship is building for Ireland.

Behold the Irish flagship! Ain't she purty?

I only wish that we actually had something like that back then!!!!

[SIZE=4]éire abú !!! [/SIZE]

At the moment I'm only planning to build one (LE Eire herself) but should the situation require four more to fill out a fast destroyer division, I think we can safely say they'll be named after the four provinces. I really wanted something along the lines of a Tribal-class DD, and a modified J fit the bill perfectly... and looks good into the bargain.

[SIZE=1]You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids![/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Okay, so they can still run us down with fifteen dozen battleships, but it's the pride of the thing![/SIZE]

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Well, she´s definetively a beauty. Looks more like small cruiser than a DD to me.

Do we need to read that as "make it bigger"???

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The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them.....

I don't think it is too bad. The speed roughly matches the speed of the ships of the Philomedes and Memnon classes.

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You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids!

In that case, you should have gone for a ~6,000 ton ship and call it a "Super Destroyer". Bigger, heavier, better armed, better armored and faster than any destroyer "those English bastids" have.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
At the moment I'm only planning to build one (LE Eire herself) but should the situation require four more to fill out a fast destroyer division, I think we can safely say they'll be named after the four provinces. I really wanted something along the lines of a Tribal-class DD, and a modified J fit the bill perfectly... and looks good into the bargain.

[SIZE=1]You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids![/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Okay, so they can still run us down with fifteen dozen battleships, but it's the pride of the thing![/SIZE]

If you wanted to make it 6 overall, you could go with the ancient provinces.....
Ulster
Munster
Leinster
Connaucht
....and "Meath", the ancient seat of "Ard Ri na hEireann", and a province in it's own right, (but don't tell the Meath men that, they're insufferable enough already!!)

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Originally posted by Commodore Green

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
At the moment I'm only planning to build one (LE Eire herself) but should the situation require four more to fill out a fast destroyer division, I think we can safely say they'll be named after the four provinces. I really wanted something along the lines of a Tribal-class DD, and a modified J fit the bill perfectly... and looks good into the bargain.

[SIZE=1]You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids![/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Okay, so they can still run us down with fifteen dozen battleships, but it's the pride of the thing![/SIZE]

If you wanted to make it 6 overall, you could go with the ancient provinces.....
Ulster
Munster
Leinster
Connaucht
....and "Meath", the ancient seat of "Ard Ri na hEireann", and a province in it's own right, (but don't tell the Meath men that, they're insufferable enough already!!)

Oh, I didn't know that about Meath. Interesting.

I had given some consideration to possibly adding in a small CDS (possibly akin to the RSAN Ringhorns) named Bunreacht. But honestly, a CDS probably won't do Ireland any good - any nation strong enough to invade Ireland would be strong enough to crush any CDS I could build. I also expect that Britain would take rather severe exception to someone besides them invading Ireland (unless, of course, Britain was the one invading)... so a CDS wouldn't really add to the defense. That was why I decided to build a heavy destroyer - she has more usefulness as the ASW/Escort I would see the Irish focusing on.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Wes, that BB is a fine designed, carefully continueing your design tree. I like that much better than all those mega-monster-BBs now planned or laid down everywhere. The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them..... And of course those knots would have cost you either armor, armament or money (as you would have to increase size).

This class as advertised is a stop gap measure, hence her less meglamaniacal displacement. There is a bigger class in the pipeline but they will take some time to finish building. Even then they are roughly the size of the Iowa's, again in an attempt to limit their displacement, or in sim terms keep their building time to a minimum. As for the speed issue, I'm thinking about laying down a class of fast BC's armed with 12" to escort the carriers and more importantly for the caribbean theatre were there are several smaller BC's that are potential threats.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them.....

I don't think it is too bad. The speed roughly matches the speed of the ships of the Philomedes and Memnon classes.

Thats the general idea, these ships will likely sortie with either class. Its probably as balanced a design I can get on dementions/displacement similar to the Memnon/Philomedes class. I was shooting for 28 knots, 1.10 stability and a seakeeping rating of 1.21 while keeping the tonnage as close to the preveous two classes as possible.

I'm still finishing the top veiw for the drawing, which is almost complete.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Wes, that BB is a fine designed, carefully continueing your design tree. I like that much better than all those mega-monster-BBs now planned or laid down everywhere. The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them..... And of course those knots would have cost you either armor, armament or money (as you would have to increase size).

This class as advertised is a stop gap measure, hence her less meglamaniacal displacement. There is a bigger class in the pipeline but they will take some time to finish building. Even then they are roughly the size of the Iowa's, again in an attempt to limit their displacement, or in sim terms keep their building time to a minimum. As for the speed issue, I'm thinking about laying down a class of fast BC's armed with 12" to escort the carriers and more importantly for the caribbean theatre were there are several smaller BC's that are potential threats.

The Kortenears are only slightly larger, but they are more likely to be repeated, regardless of enemy monster ships, the Dutch only have so many resources.

I'm partial to the RSAN Radiance class myself as the upper end of the BC range, but things in the 'middle-weight' class seem to be in a bit of flux, making it difficult to figure out what would be a competive design, so the Dutch are relying on allied vessels for that type of threat.

The destroyers are very nice and serve to remind me that I should have gone with the 8x125mm version of the Z77 class instead of the 6x125mm.

"Meath" the province was made up of the current counties of Meath AND Westmeath (WM is the "youngest" county in the country!)

As for the CDS, you're right, it's a nice idea but really pointless.

As for GB....
90% of the artillery in Ireland was aimed North during WW2, (we called it "The Emergency") as we belived that the British would take the oppertunity to "reclaim lost property", and put us "troublesome Irish" back in our place.......

Ireland has similar concerns as Belgium, with the exception that Belgium wants to make herself a more attractive ally as well. Fisheries vessels, some minewarfare vessels to maintain control of her coast and anchorages, and some longer ranged escorts to enforce soveriegnty, and one CA to as a "show the flag vessel".

Glad to see Ireland in play, had considered stealing it myself.

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Originally posted by Commodore Green
"Meath" the province was made up of the current counties of Meath AND Westmeath (WM is the "youngest" county in the country!)

As for the CDS, you're right, it's a nice idea but really pointless.

As for GB....
90% of the artillery in Ireland was aimed North during WW2, (we called it "The Emergency") as we belived that the British would take the oppertunity to "reclaim lost property", and put us "troublesome Irish" back in our place.......

Which I understand the Brits considered. They didn't trust DeVelera (?) and "Gap" in the Atlantic could be considerably closed by planes out of Ireland. I vaguely recall reading that at least, I think in Churchill's histories.

While not addressed, I would guess invading a nuetral nation linked to a huge chunk of the US population would not have help garner more US support.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk

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Originally posted by Commodore Green
As for GB....
90% of the artillery in Ireland was aimed North during WW2, (we called it "The Emergency") as we belived that the British would take the oppertunity to "reclaim lost property", and put us "troublesome Irish" back in our place.......

Which I understand the Brits considered. They didn't trust DeVelera (?) and "Gap" in the Atlantic could be considerably closed by planes out of Ireland. I vaguely recall reading that at least, I think in Churchill's histories.

While not addressed, I would guess invading a neutral nation linked to a huge chunk of the US population would not have help garner more US support.

Plan W, it was called. Britain left the Treaty Ports in 1938 due to circumstances which probably haven't carried over into WW. Churchill wanted the bases back, and phrased it as a "Help the Irish defend against the Hun" thing.

IMHO, the point where holding Ireland would have been most helpful to the British would have been in 1940-1941, when Britain could least afford to become involved in Ireland.

A tentative carrier design.

Arcturus, Aufidus, Active, Antares, Atlantean Aircraft Carrier laid down 1936

Displacement:
22,362 t light; 23,228 t standard; 26,238 t normal; 28,647 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
703.92 ft / 685.00 ft x 96.00 ft x 28.50 ft (normal load)
214.55 m / 208.79 m x 29.26 m x 8.69 m

Armament:
16 - 5.10" / 130 mm guns (8x2 guns), 66.33lbs / 30.09kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,091 lbs / 495 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 550

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.95" / 100 mm 460.00 ft / 140.21 m 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.96" / 50 mm 460.00 ft / 140.21 m 30.00 ft / 9.14 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.58" / 40 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.30" / 8 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 126,832 shp / 94,616 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,419 tons

Complement:
1,030 - 1,340

Cost:
£7.358 million / $29.432 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 136 tons, 0.5 %
Armour: 4,902 tons, 18.7 %
- Belts: 1,278 tons, 4.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,001 tons, 3.8 %
- Armament: 85 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 2,464 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 75 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 3,559 tons, 13.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,085 tons, 30.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,876 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 5,680 tons, 21.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40,957 lbs / 18,578 Kg = 617.5 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 6.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.490
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (50 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Stern: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Average freeboard: 24.48 ft / 7.46 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 200.4 %
Waterplane Area: 45,143 Square feet or 4,194 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 140 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 614 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.53
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Wes, how many planes does the carrier carry? I'm assuming a double-decker hangar too. Looks very much like the latest British designs in size and displacement.

I like the Irish destroyer, looks very neat. Maybe one day Argentina would like to buy a similar export design.

GB has no designs on Ireland, the overall feeling in WW is one of "well rid of that problem, maybe we can have a quiet time now."

I agree a CDS would be useless for Ireland's defence, the coastline is long and any enemy force would soon overwhelm it. Wether Britain would step in to help defend it neighbour would depend on various situations (depending on the enemy, alliances and histrorical mistrust on both sides) so I would not count too much on your bigger neighbour pulling the fat out of fire. Of course an enemy of GB getting their hands on Ireland would be a NO NO.

Orringinally I was shooting for 80 aircraft but instead got around 70 on 4,900 tons. Yes she has a double decked hangar and would be quite similar in apearance to the Nautica.

As for the Irish design, it is available for export! Argentina could easily purchase the design post war.

Added names and a picture for the battleship design.

On the carrier: I assume the main battery is supposed to be on the sides, rather than the centerline? The sea-keeping's a little lower than Germany prefers, but Atlantean ships operate in (generally, except around hurricanes, when planes might well not be flying anyway) somewhat calmer seas.