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1)Is anyone still awake
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2)Is what I'm proposing to move towards make sense to folks
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3)Where does it fail the logic test
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4)What am I missing?
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5)What should I be adding ?
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Originally posted by Daidalos
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...End of Game in 1950,...
Really?
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Kaiser Kirk" (Aug 22nd 2013, 8:28am)
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
As for your point - Would it happen with two different players..of course not, each would want to run their own place.
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
However, if you revise that to....is there precedent for a political marriage between Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands? :
I will point out the following
1993 : EU founded - I'd say it's more of a Confederation than a Federation.
1957 : EEC founded.
1952 : Failed effort at a European Army
1951 : European Coal and Steel Community founded
Common theme- all had Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands as founding members. 42 years from ECSC to EU.
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Military Invasion : France would win. The 100 divisions vs the 49 division-equivalents kinda seals it.
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hood" (Aug 22nd 2013, 4:13pm)
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(b)blunt refusal of its political leaders to even consider discussing questions of mutual interest ... which refusals and questions of mutual interest are you speaking of? Further, wouldn't Germany then see Belgium's association with a long fairly friendly Netherlands as a good thing ? Afterall, the problem folks are the Walloons smile
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(e) Well, I at least specifically talked to Hrolf, the German player, about those colonists. I needed some technically skilled seed population and so skimmed some off the displaced folks. I don't really see any worries about adjusting German population up or down, a small change in birth rates due to less competition for food/jobs within postwar Germany, and lesser losses in WWI...easily explain the same populace.
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Kongo : The Kongo culture is a hybrid one, with a primitive underpinning and a glossy Dutch topcoat. The Heart of Darkness was based on Konrad's journey up the Congo. The Casement report caused international outrage. I imagine the Kongo cultures were torn apart under King Leopolds reign. Estimates of the real world population losses vary wildly- as do the the estimates of population, but 50% is a recurrent one. Thats just devastating to a society [edit: also why there was empty lands for colonists to be settled in]. When the new culture sweeps in as a savior and liberator, and starts providing primary school education, that culture has rather rapidly adopted. The old ways failed miserably, and while they still have a strong cultural influence and why the Queen started with a Fuedal order (Chiefs became Barons, etc) with the ties of honor and obligation, and is using a speeded up English model of progression to map the route to democracy. So far they are 40 years along, which given the life expectancies, means virtually everyone has been through Dutch schooling and raised in the system.
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Obviously the fact that most of the natives outside the Moluccas are Muslim and the Dutch..arent ..is a big deal. Ive made references to People of the Book in past write-ups, its a Moslem term and part of how the Dutch approach that matter. They underscore that they are all Abrahamic religeons, which works with the generally moderate muslims of the area.
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I back Rocky's comments about education and independence. The local elite want their own power and freedom to act as they please and have control over their own destinies. Nearly all colonies everywhere under whatever Imperial Master want to be free. Very few have chosen to stick with the Mother Nation unless they feel threatened from other outsiders. The Seven Indonesian provinces is a good idea to maintain power, but if the colonial power ever does vanish then an independent Indonesia is impossible to construct without civil wars and genocide. You may have unwittingly stoked up future problems even worse than OTL. Generally France has tried to build a stable basis for independence, generally Britain tries the same but also feels less inclined to allow early independence because instability could be far worse.
As Rocky says, balancing the power in any confederation is tricky, either the Europeans feel the colonies have too much influence or the colonies feel they have been artificially denied rights. Rocking the status quo is dangerous (why I've never allowed myself to create Malaya as a Dominion).
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It's my policy as the French player to prevent something like the EU from ever forming. Just FYI.
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Originally posted by Desertfox
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It's my policy as the French player to prevent something like the EU from ever forming. Just FYI.
Wouldn't Le Grand Alliance be a step in that direction?
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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Its an incredible reach to say arguements against the formation of Benelux apply to the GA for the reasons Bruce already stated. A military alliance is a long long way from a confederation of states......
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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
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Originally posted by Desertfox
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It's my policy as the French player to prevent something like the EU from ever forming. Just FYI.
Wouldn't Le Grand Alliance be a step in that direction?
Um, actually, no.
The Grand Alliance is an alliance between sovereign nations, where the European Union is a supra-national authority to which its member states have surrendered certain aspects of their national sovereignty.
Hence a "European Parliament" which makes laws that supersede national laws, a "European Commission" that dictates policies to member Governments and "the Euro", which is supposed to be the single currency.
We are not so much arguing against formation of Confederation of Orange as describing, OOC, our potential reactions to its formation and what we perceive as the reasons why it would not work out. Kirk has asked for comment and we have provided it. The only nation that seems particularly belligerent in this discussion is somewhere down under.
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