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Saturday, December 2nd 2006, 9:21pm

Possible Peruvian light cruiser

Feel free to dissect. All your comments are welcome. I tried to put as much weaponry and speed in the less tonnage possible.

Almirante Guise, Peru light cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
6,674 t light; 7,005 t standard; 8,211 t normal; 9,175 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
561.19 ft / 550.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
171.05 m / 167.64 m x 16.76 m x 5.79 m

Armament:
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x4 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
20 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,430 lbs / 649 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.46" / 88 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75,366 shp / 56,223 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,170 tons

Complement:
430 - 560

Cost:
£3.688 million / $14.754 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 179 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 735 tons, 8.9 %
- Belts: 504 tons, 6.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 231 tons, 2.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,089 tons, 25.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,622 tons, 44.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,536 tons, 18.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10,557 lbs / 4,788 Kg = 102.5 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 13.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.76 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (19.00 ft / 5.79 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Stern: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Average freeboard: 19.28 ft / 5.88 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.8 %
Waterplane Area: 20,959 Square feet or 1,947 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 520 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.05
- Longitudinal: 1.72
- Overall: 1.10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


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Saturday, December 2nd 2006, 10:17pm

That's a heck of a lot of range for the Peruvian Navy. Unless you need to visit friends across the Pacific, perhaps?

The hull has a rather high L/B ratio, suggesting that there might be issues with longitudinal stresses, especially in heavy seas. You might get away with it, but maybe not. Probably better off going to about 522' by 58' in that regard.

That'll cost you seakeeping, which is pretty much on the limits as things are, but you've got some reserve strength and the new hullform should free up more. Use that to raise the freeboard, particularly forwards, and you should get a more satisfactory ship. If you're going to have a step in the hull amidships, make it eight to nine feet, so you can get a whole deck in. One foot is just asking for a lot of banged heads.

Them's my thoughts, anyway.

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Saturday, December 2nd 2006, 11:11pm

Here with the changes suggested

Almirante Guise, Peru light cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
6,766 t light; 7,099 t standard; 8,300 t normal; 9,261 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
533.19 ft / 522.00 ft x 58.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
162.52 m / 159.11 m x 17.68 m x 5.79 m

Armament:
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x4 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
20 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,430 lbs / 649 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.46" / 88 mm 350.00 ft / 106.68 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 78,070 shp / 58,240 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,163 tons

Complement:
434 - 565

Cost:
£3.763 million / $15.052 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 179 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 700 tons, 8.4 %
- Belts: 456 tons, 5.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 243 tons, 2.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,164 tons, 26.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,674 tons, 44.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,534 tons, 18.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10,791 lbs / 4,895 Kg = 104.8 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.505
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Stern: 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Average freeboard: 20.89 ft / 6.37 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.8 %
Waterplane Area: 21,076 Square feet or 1,958 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 523 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 2.14
- Overall: 1.08
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Saturday, December 2nd 2006, 11:46pm

Numbers

For a cheaper ship, I'd suggest a slightly enlarged version of the historical "La Argentina" Training Cruiser with more powerful engines for better speed.

The "La Argentina" made 30 knots on 54,000 hp and had a range of 7,500 miles at 12 knots. She also only has three triple 6 inch guns turrets. She was consideres 6,000 tons standard (7,500 tons full load) and was 510 feet (541 feet 2 inches o.a) long, with a 56 and a half foot beam, and a draught of 16 and a half feet. (at least according to Jane's in 1959)

So if you want volume of modern light cruisers, this could be an option.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 12:48am

IMO you should go for a few smaller CLs (between 3000 and 5500 tons) before you build these larger "fleet" CLs. Cheaper, quicker to build, and capable of leading your expanding destroyer force. Think Yubari or Tromp (I am fond of this design.)

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:14am

I have to agree with the others, a smaller pair of 5,500-6,000 ton designs would seem more economical for nation the size of Peru.

A 7,000 ton design with 12x5.9" guns and no deck armor is very vulnerable. I also think the range is rather excessive and would certainly get your neighbours attention.

7

Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:17am

Go forth and 'borrow' the La Trompacada blueprints.

8

Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:17am

Quoted

Originally posted by Alikchi
IMO you should go for a few smaller CLs (between 3000 and 5500 tons) before you build these larger "fleet" CLs. Cheaper, quicker to build, and capable of leading your expanding destroyer force. Think Yubari or Tromp (I am fond of this design.)


Already got these heavy destroyers to take the role of destroyer leaders with the first one being started in late 1934 or 1935.

Independencia Class, German designed Peruvian Heavy Destroyers
Independencia: laid down 1934
Union: planned
Libertad: planned
Displacement:
2,851 t light; 2,979 t standard; 3,288 t normal; 3,536 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
483.15 ft / 465.88 ft x 44.29 ft x 13.94 ft (normal load)
147.26 m / 142.00 m x 13.50 m x 4.25 m

Armament:
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1933 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1933 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 0.79" / 25.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1933 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 715 lbs / 324 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
10 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

- Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 60,758 shp / 45,325 Kw = 36.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 557 tons

Complement:
216 - 282

Cost:
£1.889 million / $7.557 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 89 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 80 tons, 2.4 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 66 tons, 2.0 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,605 tons, 48.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,036 tons, 31.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 438 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
941 lbs / 427 Kg = 9.1 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 11.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.07 ft / 8.25 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Mid (45 %): 20.51 ft / 6.25 m (13.94 ft / 4.25 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Stern: 13.94 ft / 4.25 m
- Average freeboard: 17.42 ft / 5.31 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 179.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.6 %
Waterplane Area: 13,182 Square feet or 1,225 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 75 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 219 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 0.55
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

10 tons reserved for depth charges and rails

30 tons reserved for mines and growth

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:19am

Hmmm... speed. :-)

10

Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:20am

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10
Go forth and 'borrow' the La Trompacada blueprints.


Too similar to the Independencia class heavy destroyers, they will be pretty much filling the same niche.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:21am

Yeah, no deck armor on a cruiser would be bad. Any plane could put even a small bomb through you decks at point, plus any distance shots will punch through it as well with little difficulty.

"La Argentina" had 2 inches of deck armor and gunhouse armor with 3 inches of side and CT armor.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:24am

Quoted

Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
I have to agree with the others, a smaller pair of 5,500-6,000 ton designs would seem more economical for nation the size of Peru.

A 7,000 ton design with 12x5.9" guns and no deck armor is very vulnerable. I also think the range is rather excessive and would certainly get your neighbours attention.


I tend to agree with your inputs. These cruisers will be taking the place of the old Almirante Grau class cruisers, with one going to the breakers and the other as a training ship later in the decade. I'll see what I come up with in that range.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:31am

Quoted

Too similar to the Independencia class heavy destroyers, they will be pretty much filling the same niche.

Not too similar. Independencia is fast with no armor while La Trompacada is slower and has a bit of protection from the deck and side armor. I think it pretty much depends on what you want. I myself went for speed with the Waissu/Shuraiento class.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:43am

Like your cruiser, fits perfectly between my 9x6" 6,000 tonner, and theplanned 15x6" 8,000 tonners, but you do need deck armor, suggest reducing side to compensate for it.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 1:45am

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10

Quoted

Too similar to the Independencia class heavy destroyers, they will be pretty much filling the same niche.

Not too similar. Independencia is fast with no armor while La Trompacada is slower and has a bit of protection from the deck and side armor. I think it pretty much depends on what you want. I myself went for speed with the Waissu/Shuraiento class.


They are being designed for the same purpose but with different approaches. I went with a fast heavy destroyer to fill the role of flotilla leader, he's going with a light cruiser to perform the same function. Different approaches, but we are going with speed.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 2:36am

[Hoo-Clone Mode ON]

I'd be concerned if the turrets will fit on that beam? Also the lack of deck armour is a major no-no, and I don't like the lack of seakeeping either...I agree that something like La Argentina would be better.

[/Hoo-Clone Mode OFF]

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 3:01am

Smaller version. Weaker armed and less weapons. Secondary weapons superfiring over main guns. More of a AA platform. Protection increased to levels close to La Argentina. Should I add more AA protection? Also keep the speed I desired. Feel free to discuss.

Almirante Guise, Peru light cruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
5,353 t light; 5,517 t standard; 5,851 t normal; 6,118 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
518.79 ft / 515.00 ft x 47.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
158.13 m / 156.97 m x 14.33 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (2x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
8 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 524 lbs / 238 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.46" / 88 mm 443.00 ft / 135.03 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 132 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75,430 shp / 56,270 Kw = 33.50 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 601 tons

Complement:
333 - 434

Cost:
£2.996 million / $11.982 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 65 tons, 1.1 %
Armour: 826 tons, 14.1 %
- Belts: 548 tons, 9.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 35 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 229 tons, 3.9 %
- Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 2,065 tons, 35.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,296 tons, 39.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 498 tons, 8.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,011 lbs / 2,273 Kg = 48.7 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.470
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (60 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.7 %
Waterplane Area: 15,702 Square feet or 1,459 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 395 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 1.07
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 3:12am

The last one is probably too weak to be an effective modern light cruiser. There are destroyers with more firepower and less mass. This might make an interesting convoy vessel, but she can't take even one torpedo hit.

Six to nine main guns seems to be the standard for a good modern cruiser. The heavier ones mount twelve to fifteen guns.

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 3:12am

Here is a slower version but mounting 8" guns instead of 6".

Almirante Guise, Peru light cruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
5,715 t light; 5,939 t standard; 6,286 t normal; 6,565 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
518.79 ft / 515.00 ft x 47.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
158.13 m / 156.97 m x 14.33 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
4 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 255.24lbs / 115.78kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
8 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,133 lbs / 514 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.46" / 88 mm 443.00 ft / 135.03 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 132 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75,460 shp / 56,293 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 626 tons

Complement:
352 - 458

Cost:
£3.428 million / $13.713 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 142 tons, 2.3 %
Armour: 845 tons, 13.4 %
- Belts: 549 tons, 8.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 46 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 236 tons, 3.8 %
- Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 2,066 tons, 32.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,562 tons, 40.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 572 tons, 9.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,192 lbs / 2,355 Kg = 20.3 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.505
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (60 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.8 %
Waterplane Area: 16,201 Square feet or 1,505 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 432 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 1.88
- Overall: 1.13
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Sunday, December 3rd 2006, 3:16am

A pocket "heavy" cruiser? Interesting choice. I'm not sold on the superfiring 88s since they are in such small numbers. But I don't know how effective they would be in reality. Others would know that.