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thesmilingassassin
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Posts: 63
(4/28/03 9:38:50 pm)
Reply cruiser
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Heres an old ladie for ya....be kind with your critisism shes sensitive!

Medusa, Atlantis cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
8,004 t light; 8,298 t standard; 8,298 t normal; 8,298 t full load
Loading submergence 603 tons/feet

Dimensions:
560.00 ft x 58.00 ft x 17.00 ft (normal load)
170.69 m x 17.68 m x 5.18 m

Armament:
7 - 7.50" / 191 mm guns (7 Main turrets x 1 guns, 2 superfiring turrets)
4 - 3.00" / 76 mm QF guns
6 - 1.00" / 25 mm guns
Weight of broadside 1,534 lbs / 696 kg
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
Belt 3.00" / 76 mm, end belts 1.75" / 44 mm
Belts cover 90 % of normal area
Main belt does not fully protect magazines and engineering spaces
Main turrets 2.00" / 51 mm,
Armour deck 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Immobile floating battery

Complement:
434 - 565

Cost:
£0.739 million / $2.955 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 192 tons, 2.3 %
Armour: 1,298 tons, 15.6 %
Belts: 474 tons, 5.7 %, Armament: 221 tons, 2.7 %, Armour Deck: 586 tons, 7.1 %
Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,125 tons, 25.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,389 tons, 52.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 294 tons, 3.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Metacentric height 3.0

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable and able to fight her guns in the heaviest weather

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.19
Shellfire needed to sink: 10,283 lbs / 4,664 Kg = 48.8 x 7.5 " / 191 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.4
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 76 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.50
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.73

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.526
Sharpness coefficient: 0.34
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 8.46
'Natural speed' for length: 23.66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim: 44
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 103.9 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 169.6 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 117 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.29
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs / square foot or 625 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.69
(for 20.00 ft / 6.10 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 5.41 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.32


King of Riva
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Posts: 87
(4/29/03 3:42:50 am)
Reply Immobile floating battery?
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A cruiser laid down 1912 (thus finished ~1914) as immobile floating battery? Why?

Do you have a story in mind for that piece?

thesmilingassassin
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Posts: 64
(4/29/03 4:09:36 am)
Reply Gasp!!
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damn springsharp musta reset the engines again!!! I missed the immobile battery thing.

thesmilingassassin
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(4/29/03 5:02:55 am)
Reply ok hows this
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Ok she acctually has engines, rest assured! I had to play with this one longer than the last time....just to get the engines in! Arrrgg!

Medusa, Atlantis cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
8,961 t light; 9,304 t standard; 10,767 t normal; 11,893 t full load
Loading submergence 742 tons/feet

Dimensions:
610.00 ft x 66.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
185.93 m x 20.12 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
7 - 7.50" / 191 mm guns (7 Main turrets x 1 guns, 2 superfiring turrets)
4 - 3.00" / 76 mm QF guns
6 - 1.00" / 25 mm guns
Weight of broadside 1,534 lbs / 696 kg
2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
Belt 3.00" / 76 mm, upper belt 2.00" / 51 mm, end belts 2.00" / 51 mm
Belts cover 110 % of normal area
Main turrets 2.00" / 51 mm,
Armour deck 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 62,961 shp / 46,969 Kw = 29.30 kts
Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts

Complement:
528 - 687

Cost:
£0.826 million / $3.305 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 192 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 2,193 tons, 20.4 %
Belts: 985 tons, 9.1 %, Armament: 216 tons, 2.0 %, Armour Deck: 961 tons, 8.9 %
Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0.3 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,510 tons, 23.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,066 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,805 tons, 16.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Metacentric height 4.8

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.39
Shellfire needed to sink: 15,973 lbs / 7,245 Kg = 75.7 x 7.5 " / 191 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.9
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 56 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.22
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.520
Sharpness coefficient: 0.35
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 8.45
'Natural speed' for length: 24.70 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim: 46
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 91.8 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 172.0 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 123 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.01
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs / square foot or 501 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.05
(for 19.00 ft / 5.79 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 3.63 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.01


King of Riva
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Posts: 89
(4/29/03 5:52:33 am)
Reply Re: ok hows this
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Much better, though!

She looks like a Frobisher-clone to me - she´s just laid down much earlier than her british counterparts.

What´s her gun layout?

thesmilingassassin
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(4/29/03 1:24:17 pm)
Reply Frobisher clone
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Your right she is vertually a Frobisher clone including the armament layout, outward shes slightly different though. Another follow on class will have 1 extra 7.5" gun.

Pengolodh
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(5/2/03 3:36:26 pm)
Reply
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Re: Frobisher clone
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So we are having Frobisher-like vessels running around, with comparatively long range, already in 1914 - that is going to affect British naval decisions.
Best regards
Pengolodh
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thesmilingassassin
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Posts: 73
(5/3/03 12:12:19 am)
Reply Well acctually
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Atlantis only has 5 Frobisher like cruisers, so its not going to be a huge leap. Its damn tough to sim a Frobisher and I don't seriously think they will have the range I designed them with. Any tips?

King of Riva
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Posts: 106
(5/3/03 5:59:05 am)
Reply Re: Well acctually
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Don´t use turrets for the main guns. The Forbishers actually had open shields. It might save some weight in springstyle. :o)

thesmilingassassin
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(5/3/03 9:02:37 pm)
Reply ok
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How do you leave the turrets out in springsharp? Do you just leave the number of turrets at Zero or reduce the armour?

King of Riva
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Posts: 108
(5/4/03 7:54:57 am)
Reply Number of turrets = Zero
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And make sure your shields are not too thick. More than 50mm is unlikely, though.

thesmilingassassin
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(5/4/03 4:47:23 pm)
Reply Thanks
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...I'll rework the design soon.