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Rather than wasting money on a reconstruction this modest refit has been undertaken.
The changes are; replacment of 6in casemated guns with twin 130mm guns with a limited heavy AA capability, a new AA outfit with twin 37mm above main turrets and superstructure ends, a modified enclosed bridge and new conning tower, new main and end belt armour and an upper belt protecting the 130mm hoists. A new boat crane and mast will be fitted along with two new LA rangefinders and one HA rangfinder. New RT equipment is to be fitted and two 18in searchlights. In a training role some 80 cadets will be carried. The egnines will be overhauled but no replacement will be undertaken. Coal will still fuel these ships to save oil for the newer vessels in the fleet. All internal fittings will be repalced or modernised including new galleys and refitted officers cabins. The Captain's cabin will be extended and refurbished.

General Pueyrredon, Argentina Heavy Cruiser laid down 1896

Displacement:
6,034 t light; 6,282 t standard; 6,840 t normal; 7,287 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
328.00 ft / 328.00 ft x 59.80 ft x 23.20 ft (normal load)
99.97 m / 99.97 m x 18.23 m x 7.07 m

Armament:
2 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns in single mounts, 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1896 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (6x2 guns), 66.14lbs / 30.00kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1,814 lbs / 823 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 164.04 ft / 50.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 114.83 ft / 35.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
49.13 ft / 14.97 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 164.04 ft / 50.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Main Belt covers 77 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13,000 ihp / 9,698 Kw = 19.64 kts
Range 4,800nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,005 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
375 - 488

Cost:
£0.706 million / $2.825 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 228 tons, 3.3 %
Armour: 1,318 tons, 19.3 %
- Belts: 685 tons, 10.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 215 tons, 3.1 %
- Armour Deck: 371 tons, 5.4 %
- Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,167 tons, 31.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,302 tons, 33.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 806 tons, 11.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,961 lbs / 2,250 Kg = 9.9 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 13.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.526
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 39
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (17 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.8 %
Waterplane Area: 13,386 Square feet or 1,244 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 508 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.86
- Longitudinal: 3.95
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Have you ever tried drawing your creatures?

I'd like to draw them, but it would be a long-term projectand my previous attempts are not that good. If anyone is offering thier artistic services and has the spare time I could supply a quick sketch.
Pueyrredon should look like the small sketch as featured in the 1946 Janes.
I'd like to clarify one point, does altering to oil-burning count as a 50% partial reconstruction? The rules state change in plant or output but does not mention fuel.

I think that considering the number of ships in the 1920s that were converted to oil and didn't have new turbines that it should count as a part of the 25% major refit.

What about this?

2.2.2.4 Level 4: Partial Reconstruction (cost = 50%)

-Changes to bunkerage (type or quantity): P

I'd agree that a reconstruction isn't worthwhile. Retaining the coal-fired powerplant isn't a bad idea either, if you've got better access to coal than oil.

Here you go HoOmAn a cut a paste special to represent the refitted Gen Pueyrredon. I've changed the secondaries, AA armament and bridge. The belts have been altered too.

Thanks for posting. Any chance for a bigger pic?

*Looks through binoculars*
Yes... It's pretty hard to see...
:-)
Still, it gives a good idea how it looks like and it gives me a good opportunity to compare this scale picture with the 1:8 scale picture I did of Japan's near-future fast battleship HIJMS Kamatari.
^_^

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
*Looks through binoculars*
Yes... It's pretty hard to see...
:-)
Still, it gives a good idea how it looks like and it gives me a good opportunity to compare this scale picture with the 1:8 scale picture I did of Japan's near-future fast battleship HIJMS Kamatari.
^_^

I know it Your going for a Iowa type ship not Yamato...wait japan building a ship that is only 5000t over the treaty limit?!? Now that will be a shame

Where you expecting anything less than devious from the Japanese of the era?

Your refits will be nice, though small compared to Chile's newer Heavy Cruisers and Armored Cruisers.

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I know it Your going for a Iowa type ship not Yamato...wait japan building a ship that is only 5000t over the treaty limit?!? Now that will be a shame

Actually, HIJMS Kamatari is not an Iowa type ship... think of it as a 33 knot Scharnhorst class ship with an additional 283mm triple turret.
... and no, it is not over the treaty limit.
... and yes, I will be going for a Yamato class Battleship. A 33 knot one.

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Where you expecting anything less than devious from the Japanese of the era?

Indeed! Canis's Website gives me a lot of bad ideas. :-)


I only need to find out what size dock I need in order to build the Muteki Nippon...
I think it was either a type 7 or 8...

just scratch out 'New York' and put in 'O, Canada' :B

Future flagship of the Armada de Filipinas..



Filipino naval engineers have decided to "cut out the middleman" in warship production and simply produce explosions.

Note to self: Delete IJN page before Walter gets any more bright ideas...or plan to build Montana's like there's no tomorrow!

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Originally posted by CanisD
Note to self: Delete IJN page before Walter gets any more bright ideas...or plan to build Montana's like there's no tomorrow!

Second idea is more interesting.

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Note to self: Delete IJN page before Walter gets any more bright ideas...

Unfortunately for you, I already saved all that stuff so even if you delete the page, I still have the ideas.

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"What's that tearing sound?"

"Every government in Wesworld ripping up its copy of the Cleito Treaty..."

Looks like Canis just going to have to build Montana's like there's no tomorrow. With a wholesale scrapping campaign, he might not even run out states to name them after...

Then again, there is Kearsarge, so maybe the max is 51...

Wouldn't the max be 49 at this time, with Alaska and Hawaii not being states yet?

Here is a bigger pic, sorry I got the last one too small.

Muteki Nippon is my dream battleship. Massive, expensive and totally useless but enough to scare the pants off any foe!