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I like the idea of sharing technology even though I can´t say if sharing ASDIC technology by the British is realistic....
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G. Updated Order of Battle for France, 1 April 1931
Note: Y)+Z = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction
BB: 6(2)+2
BC: 0(0)+0
CV:2(0)+1
CA: 6(0)+0
CL: 22(0)+0
Monitors: 5(0)+0
DD: 96(0)+0
Sloops: 0(0)+0
Fleet Submarine: 15(0)+0
Coastal Submarine: 70(0)+0
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F. Updated Order of Battle for India, 31/3/31
Note: Y)+Z = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction
Battleships (BB): 3(0)+1
Aircraft Carriers (CV): 1(0)+0
Heavy Cruisers (CA): 5(0)+0
Light Cruisers (CL): 13(0)+0
Destroyers (DD): 32(0)+2
Submarines (SS): 22(0)+1
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At the end of this quarter the RSAN consists of (units in service only):
48 ASW launches
24 motor launches
37 minesweepers
56 small patrol crafts
80 TB/DDs (does not include 11 TBs with 15cm guns)
37 cruisers category b (include 11 TBs with 15cm guns)
7 cruisers category a
14 capital units
5 costal defence ships
2 fleet carrier
48 submarines category b
32 submarines category a
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I can see the point that the sub threat now is fairly high, but Italy seemed to jump to the task fairly quickly after WW1 with a mere fraction of British losses atributed to subs.
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It just seems odd coming off the heels of the insinuation that only two nations posses ASDIC in Wesworld when two additional countrys were draged into the war via sub losses.
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To be fair I don't think its a stretch for Italy to be lightly concerned about SAE/Indian subs with the EAS sitting in their backyards.
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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Which countries btw? I must add that I was wrong before. The count should be three countries, UK, USA and Italy (maybe others haven't found anything) but the USA set is best described as inferior.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Who cares about the SAE/Indian subs and the EAS....
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
.....when the much closer FAR has this:
France
Fleet Submarine: 15(0)+0
Coastal Submarine: 70(0)+0
Atlantis
Fleet Submarine: 20(0)16
Coastal Submarine: 72(0)0
Russian Federation
Fleet Submarine: 30(0)+0
Coastal Submarine: 130(0)+10
... compared to AANM...
Iberia
SUB = 32 (0) + 8/0 (0)
Denmark
Submarine a: 8(0)+0
Submarine b: 11(0)+0
Italy
Submarine a: 22(0)+0
Submarine b: 29(0)+8
Netherlands
Fleet Submarine: 20(0)0
Coastal Submarine: 15(0)3
Total AANM
Fleet Submarine: 50(0)+0
Coastal Submarine: 54(0)+11
Total FAR
Fleet Submarine: 65(0)+16
Coastal Submarine: 272(0)+10
Iberia not known but as you can see, while the differences between the large subs is not that big, there's a huge difference between the coastal subs of FAR and AANM.
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I've always maintained that Atlantis entered the war due to submarine losses ala a Lusitainia type incedent and subsequent war losses.
IIRC the SAE also entered under similar surcumstances.
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Thats why I said lightly concerned.
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Close to half the coastal sub tally is French.
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Their are quite a few elderly coastal subs in the Atlantean fleet.
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Keep in mind FAR has two top teir CT nations in its makeup, it should possess more hulls anyway.
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As you said, France is the only dirrect threat sub wise, something alliance tally numbers would exagerate.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
What if there were Atlantean and South African citizens aboard the Lusitania itself? And unlike the US who remained neutral, Atlantis and South Africa did enter the war after that particular incident.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10 Looks more like a quarter to me.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10 Depends on what you call 'elderly'. What I would consider 'elderly' is a Hunley type submersible with a towed torpedo.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10 More hulls = more submarines = bigger threat.
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Originally posted by Rooijen10 Well, Atlantis is not that far away (at least much closer than SA and India), and part of the Russian Fleet has an exit to the Mediterranean...
Perhaps the numbers exagerate the situation... perhaps not... It depends on how you look at it, and Italy probably looks at the threat as a whole.
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