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Peru wishes to solicit bids for possible sale of one or two new or used light aircraft carriers.

Requirements:

Size: Ideally not more than 20,000 t light, and sized to fit existing Peruvian infrastructure. Sufficient deck length to operate torpedo-bombers.

Speed: Min. 30 kts, preferrably 31-33 kts

Protection: CL-scale belt armor, reasonable deck protection against aircraft ordnance.

Airgroup: Minimum 24 A/C, with adequate size for projected aircraft growth rates.

Possible Transaction Components:

-If the carrier(s) is/are new-build, to be laid down by vendor in 1942.

-If the carrier(s) is/are existing, to be received 1942/43.

-In either case, a basic carrier orientation program, with crew and pilot exchanges to the vendor's fleet, would be desirous to facilitate effective start-up of the Peruvian carrier program.

Please transmit quote and questions to the Peruvian Ministry of Defence.

Submitted for consideration for export sale

If ordered in the 1st Quarter of 1942 (assumed date of keel laying 1 Jan 1942) the vessel would complete in the 3rd Quarter of 1943 (assumed date 25 Jul 1943) and complete trials in the 1st Quarter 1944 (assumed date 21 Jan 1944).

Sufficient slip space exists in German shipyards to construct the vessel in the timeframe proposed (in point of fact sufficient slip space is available for a second vessel if desired)

Training of crew and aircrew can be accommodated within the current Kriegsmarine training programme.

Detailed Design

Draft CVL Design, German - Export Account Light Aircraft Carrier laid down 1942

Displacement: 10,030 t light; 10,342 t standard; 11,790 t normal; 12,949 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

643.69 ft / 623.36 ft x 67.26 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load) [196.20 m / 190.00 m x 20.50 m x 6.00 m]

Armament:

8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1942 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
32 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 315 lbs / 143 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400

Armour:

Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 508.53 ft / 155.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 80,263 shp / 59,876 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,607 tons

Complement: 565 - 735

Cost: £4.312 million / $17.250 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 39 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 1,501 tons, 12.7 %
- Belts: 796 tons, 6.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 27 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 635 tons, 5.4 %
- Conning Tower: 44 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 2,097 tons, 17.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,192 tons, 35.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,760 tons, 14.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2,200 tons, 18.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 20,235 lbs / 9,179 Kg = 572.9 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.04
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has rise forward of midbreak and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.27: 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
- Mid (50 %): 27.89 ft / 8.50 m (21.49 ft / 6.55 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
- Stern: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
- Average freeboard: 23.09 ft / 7.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 225.1 %
Waterplane Area: 29,049 Square feet or 2,699 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 144 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 93 lbs/sq ft or 456 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.47
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Breakdown of miscellaneous weight:

Intended air group comprises thirty six aircraft - 1,296 tons
Eight spare aircraft @25 tons each - 200 tons
Enhanced damage control systems - 150 tons
Electronics (AW/SW radar, directors, etc) - 224 tons
Command spaces - 200 tons
Reserved for growth - 170 tons

Russia did a deal with a previous Peruvian government for a conversion of a collier to a light carrier. Peru stopped paying in 1936, and the RF Navy completed her in 1938 to free up the drydock. She's been an aircraft carrier tender/aircraft transport ever since. Peru paid a total of 2,500 tons, and there's 2,266 left to pay, plus a negotiable fee for occupying a drydock for a year and a half. Stats below:

Canopus class Aircraft Carrier, laid down 1920
Length, 160.0 m x Beam, 18.0 m x Depth, 6.0 m
10976 tonnes normal displacement (9331 tonnes standard)
Main battery: 4 x 13.0-cm (2 x 2)
Secondary battery: 8 x 10.0-cm
AA battery: 24 x 3.7-cm
Weight of broadside: 250 kg
Main belt, 10.0 cm; bow and stern, 5.0 cm
Armor deck, average 10.0 cm
Conning tower, 10.0 cm
Battery armor:
Main, 2.5 cm / secondary, 2.5 cm shields
AA, 2.5 cm shields
Aircraft - 32 (16 Fighters, 12 Torpedo Bombers, 4 Recce)
Maximum speed for 47417 shaft kw = 28.50 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 10700 nm / 15 knots
Typical complement: 536-697

Estimated cost, $6.487 million (£1.622 million)
Remarks:
Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.
Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.
Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.
Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.

Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:
Armament ......................... 69 tonnes = 1 pct
Armor, total ..................... 2394 tonnes = 22 pct
Belt 638 tonnes = 6 pct
Deck 1657 tonnes = 15 pct
C.T. 42 tonnes = 0 pct
Armament 58 tonnes = 1 pct
Machinery ........................ 2222 tonnes = 20 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 3357 tonnes = 31 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1910 tonnes = 17 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 1024 tonnes = 9 pct
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10976 tonnes = 100 pct
Estimated metacentric height, 1.0 m
Displacement summary:
Light ship: 9066 tonnes
Standard displacement: 9331 tonnes
Normal service: 10976 tonnes
Full load: 12248 tonnes
Loading submergence 2131 tonnes/metre
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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.20
Shellfire needed to sink: 7958 kg = 260.9 x 13.0-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.0
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform, 70 percent
(50 percent is 'average')
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.17
Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.50
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Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.63
Sharpness coefficient: 0.39
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 7.22
'Natural speed' for length = 22.9 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 58 percent

Estimated hull characteristics and strength:
Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 81 percent
Relative accommodation and working space: 187 percent

Displacement factor: 131 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)

Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.95
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 438 kg)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.65
(for 7.07 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +2.37 m)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.00
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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]
524.80 x 59.04 x 19.68; 23.19 -- Dimensions
0.63 -- Block coefficient
1920 -- Year laid down
28.50 / 10700 / 15.00; Oil-fired turbine or equivalent -- Speed / radius / cruise
1024 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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4 x 5.12; 2; 0 -- Main battery; turrets; superfiring
:
8 x 3.94; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
Gun-shields
:
24 x 1.46 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
Gun-shields
:
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
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3.94 / 1.97 / 0.00 / 0.00; 100 -- Belt armor; relative extent
3.94 / 3.94 -- Deck / CT
0.98 / 0.98 / 0.98 / 0.00 -- Battery armor

(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)

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The Peruvians forfeited that ship to Russia during the 1937 war, didn't they? If memory serves, the Colombians and Chileans both offered to pay off the remaining balance of the ship to keep it out of Peruvian hands. In any case, that deal was made prior to the war, and Chile will probably be rather cross if their ally gives a carrier to Peru now.

Petr Veliki Yard, Vladivostok have recent experience constructing aircraft carriers, and can supply a version of Russia's Scout Carrier Grengam.

Armament can be revised to Peruvian specifications, .

Grengam, Russian Aircraft Carrier laid down 1940

Displacement:
13,114 t light; 13,556 t standard; 16,270 t normal; 18,441 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
742.79 ft / 705.38 ft x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x 20.51 ft (normal load)
226.40 m / 215.00 m x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m) x 6.25 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 672 lbs / 305 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 426.51 ft / 130.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm -

- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 1.18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 94,630 shp / 70,594 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,200nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,885 tons

Complement:
719 - 936

Cost:
£5.308 million / $21.233 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 85 tons, 0.5 %
Armour: 1,667 tons, 10.2 %
- Belts: 349 tons, 2.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 18 tons, 0.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,285 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 2,530 tons, 15.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,432 tons, 33.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,156 tons, 19.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,400 tons, 20.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23,912 lbs / 10,846 Kg = 356.7 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 39.37 ft / 12.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Stern: 20.34 ft / 6.20 m
- Average freeboard: 21.65 ft / 6.60 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.2 %
Waterplane Area: 35,276 Square feet or 3,277 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 503 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

4 twin automatic DP mounts - 40 tons
Flight Deck-226.4m*30m
Aviation-2 Catapults, 56 aircraft - 3,186 tons
Electronics fit:
Air search radar - 10 tons
AA fire control radar - 10 tons
Aerial Combat Information Center - 150 tons

"The Peruvians forfeited that ship to Russia during the 1937 war, didn't they? If memory serves, the Colombians and Chileans both offered to pay off the remaining balance of the ship to keep it out of Peruvian hands."

RF yards have a reputation for commercial reliability to maintain, and RF government made it clear that Peruvian gvt have first dibs on her.

"In any case, that deal was made prior to the war, and Chile will probably be rather cross if their ally gives a carrier to Peru now."

Then they'll really dislike the idea of Russia selling a Grengam.

Though I think the price just went up, if only to profit even more since the Peruvians may see an opportunity to sow discord in FAR.

I wondered what that tonnage had gone for. Now I know and will have to think about what to do about that.

Frankly, I thought we'd determined when we worked out the story of the war that Peru had forfeited the tonnage, and Russia took ownership of the vessel; so I never mentioned it or went back to discuss it after the war. The rest of FAR has Peru on their will-not-deal-with list, so I guess I presumed the Russians did too.

Provided the Russians were able to extort a sufficiently lucrative payoff and did not sell any electronics gear (or train the Peruvian deck crews), Chile would likely restrain themselves to some grumbling in the annual FAR conference and not much else.

(Please note that my protest is IC and not OOC.)

Atlantis would make an offer, if not for that nasty business in Colombia a few years back so they politely keep quiet on the matter. Colombia certainly would not be amused and would certainly would have pushed to limit peru from building certain ships post war.

OOC, talks to that end where suggested but never went through so I'd assume that if that were to remain the case, and I don't want to limit new players (both Alvama and Rocky took over post war) I'd assume that Iberia pushed to have no such limits placed and that Atlantis and Iberia convinced Peru to play nice and assured Colombia that future conflict would be swiftly headed off. I'd also assume Peru had a drastic leadership change to aid in that placation.

The SAE offers to lay down an additional vessel of a class of two planned for the RSAN. A slip is available, payment details can be discussed. The offer includes a training program for Peru's naval pilots together with SAE classes aboard the Michel Endress.

CVL43-A, South Africa Light Carrier laid down 1943

Displacement:
13.992 t light; 14.490 t standard; 17.144 t normal; 19.268 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
670,20 ft / 656,17 ft x 68,90 ft x 25,52 ft (normal load)
204,28 m / 200,00 m x 21,00 m x 7,78 m

Armament:
8 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns (4x2 guns), 50,71lbs / 23,00kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 13,23lbs / 6,00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 622 lbs / 282 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 485,56 ft / 148,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 114% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,38" / 35 mm 485,56 ft / 148,00 m 25,43 ft / 7,75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm

- Armour deck: 3,15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 0,79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 120.000 shp / 89.520 Kw = 33,55 kts
Range 12.000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.778 tons

Complement:
748 - 973

Cost:
£6,474 million / $25,895 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 78 tons, 0,5%
Armour: 3.214 tons, 18,7%
- Belts: 617 tons, 3,6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 629 tons, 3,7%
- Armament: 96 tons, 0,6%
- Armour Deck: 1.860 tons, 10,8%
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 3.099 tons, 18,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.100 tons, 29,7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.153 tons, 18,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 2.500 tons, 14,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24.024 lbs / 10.897 Kg = 517,7 x 4,5 " / 115 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 15,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,520
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Mid (50%): 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Stern: 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Average freeboard: 21,08 ft / 6,42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,3%
Waterplane Area: 31.919 Square feet or 2.965 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 500 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,25
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

The vessel is designed to carry 48 a/c (4 squadrons of 12 each) for 2304 tons of misc weight. 196 tons can be used for spares, special equipment, electronics, staff facilities or growth reserve.

[The ships size offers enough hangar space for 60 planes according to SS rules. As the rules do not specify whether the planes carried are big or small, I assume hangar space allows the use of twin engine a/c.]

Is Peru also interested in buying shipborne a/c abroad or will home grown designs be used?

Japan can offer a new updated version of either the Chitose or the Soryu. IJN Carrier aircraft will be included in the package if Peru wishes for no additional cost.

The basic carrier orientation program for crew and pilots can start right away and will take place on carriers that are almost identical to the one(s) the Peruvians will be working on in the near future.


Chitose U, Japan Light Carrier laid down 1942

Displacement:
12,556 t light; 13,012 t standard; 15,098 t normal; 16,768 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
669.74 ft / 650.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
204.14 m / 198.12 m x 19.81 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x3 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x3 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 597 lbs / 271 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 422.50 ft / 128.78 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 117,301 shp / 87,506 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,756 tons

Complement:
680 - 885

Cost:
£5.926 million / $23.702 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 75 tons, 0.5%
Armour: 1,921 tons, 12.7%
- Belts: 704 tons, 4.7%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 73 tons, 0.5%
- Armour Deck: 1,105 tons, 7.3%
- Conning Tower: 39 tons, 0.3%
Machinery: 3,064 tons, 20.3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,696 tons, 31.1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,543 tons, 16.8%
Miscellaneous weights: 2,800 tons, 18.5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18,764 lbs / 8,511 Kg = 531.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.521
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20%): 26.50 ft / 8.08 m
- Mid (40%): 26.50 ft / 8.08 m (18.50 ft / 5.64 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 18.50 ft / 5.64 m
- Stern: 18.50 ft / 5.64 m
- Average freeboard: 21.90 ft / 6.68 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175.3%
Waterplane Area: 29,863 Square feet or 2,774 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 132%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 479 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Planes: 2025 tons (= 45 planes)
Extras: 775 tons



Soryu U, Japan Carrier laid down 1942

Displacement:
19,885 t light; 20,532 t standard; 22,344 t normal; 23,794 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
731.30 ft / 720.00 ft x 82.00 ft x 24.45 ft (normal load)
222.90 m / 219.46 m x 24.99 m x 7.45 m

Armament:
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
30 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (10x3 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 612 lbs / 278 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 500

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 530.00 ft / 161.54 m 11.50 ft / 3.51 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.00" / 51 mm 530.00 ft / 161.54 m 22.44 ft / 6.84 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 146,793 shp / 109,508 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,263 tons

Complement:
913 - 1,187

Cost:
£8.255 million / $33.018 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 77 tons, 0.3%
Armour: 4,232 tons, 18.9%
- Belts: 1,259 tons, 5.6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 880 tons, 3.9%
- Armament: 72 tons, 0.3%
- Armour Deck: 1,968 tons, 8.8%
- Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.2%
Machinery: 3,835 tons, 17.2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,742 tons, 30.2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,459 tons, 11.0%
Miscellaneous weights: 5,000 tons, 22.4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,815 lbs / 13,524 Kg = 844.1 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.542
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.78 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.79 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.64 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20%): 21.25 ft / 6.48 m
- Mid (50%): 21.25 ft / 6.48 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 21.25 ft / 6.48 m
- Stern: 21.25 ft / 6.48 m
- Average freeboard: 21.95 ft / 6.69 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 188.7%
Waterplane Area: 42,558 Square feet or 3,954 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 542 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.05
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Planes: 4225 tons (= 65 planes)
Extras: 775 tons

Hoo raises a point: Peru will be seeking the aircraft, too - both the operational air group and a reasonable number of replacements/parts.

The Dutch are willing to build a Walcheren class CV for the Peruvians with some updates (i.e. 1942 engines and the weight put into the armor deck). Since Peru does not need the range Dutch capital ships are build for, some of that bunkerage space could be partitioned for additional AVGAS.

The Dutch would be quite willing to accept Peruvian cadets on board the training carrier CV Hund in the Netherlands.

Walcheren, Netherlands Light Carrier laid down 1935 (Engine 1942)

Displacement:
15,000 t light; 15,525 t standard; 18,205 t normal; 20,350 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
746.24 ft / 721.78 ft x 80.38 ft x 21.33 ft (normal load)
227.45 m / 220.00 m x 24.50 m x 6.50 m

Armament:
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.52lbs / 27.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59.52lbs / 27.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
10 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,018 lbs / 462 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 469.16 ft / 143.00 m 10.83 ft / 3.30 m
Ends: 1.18" / 30 mm 252.59 ft / 76.99 m 10.83 ft / 3.30 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 469.16 ft / 143.00 m 19.06 ft / 5.81 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.83" / 21 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.43" / 11 mm -
5th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 89,865 shp / 67,039 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 17,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,825 tons

Complement:
783 - 1,018

Cost:
£4.891 million / $19.564 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 127 tons, 0.7 %
Armour: 2,850 tons, 15.7 %
- Belts: 708 tons, 3.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 521 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 48 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 1,485 tons, 8.2 %
- Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,348 tons, 12.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,074 tons, 38.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,206 tons, 17.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2,600 tons, 14.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
45,249 lbs / 20,525 Kg = 759.3 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.515
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 12.01 ft / 3.66 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
- Mid (50 %): 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
- Stern: 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
- Average freeboard: 29.33 ft / 8.94 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 290.9 %
Waterplane Area: 40,769 Square feet or 3,788 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 163 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 540 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.76
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Gun battery includes 4 turrets fore/aft of the island. An additional 8 deck mounts are mounted at the corners of the flight deck, like the OTL Yorktowns.
The 23mm and 40mm mount alternate along the edge of the flight deck.

Aircraft capacity is 48 planes (2304 misc wieght)
SQRT (2304) = 48
LxB = 2200mx24.5m = 5390 /70 = 77

High freeboad is to represent an enclosed Hanger. This hanger option was one of several designs studied, and a smaller version of the vessel was submitted to Argentina for consideration.

It is anticipated the main armor belt extends 1m above the waterline to the armor deck, above which is a full 2.44m deck, and then the 5.5m hanger.

The 3.66m aft overhang represents the aft round-down, giving a 230m / 758 ft. flight deck. Three large centerline lifts are provided.

An extra 100 misc weight represents additional ventilation and fire fighting equipment.
40 tons is "Radar" /Fire control / Air control
50 tons is additional spares
80 tons misc is "spare" for domestic equipment.
26 tons is an unspecified.

Italy would like to offer the aircraft carrier Giovanni Caboto for sale. The vessel was laid down in the beginning of the 1930s as an aviation training ship and has seen good service in the Regia Marina throughout the past decade. However, at this current time, there are now enough aircraft carriers in the navy and a purpose-built training carrier is no longer required.

The current vessel meets the majority of the Peruvian requirements. Italy feels that the tactical impact of 30 or 32kts speed is small. The seaworthy nature of the ship ensures that higher speeds are maintained in heavy sea states. For protection, it appears that the Peruvian technical directorate is at odds with the Italians. Italy believes that achieving useful levels of protection would severely detract from effective aircraft operations. It is not practical to armour the whole of the ship against 152mm HE or SAP shells. Likewise, protection from 500kg or 1000kg bombs would add a very significant mass of armour high up in the vessel with consequent stability impact. Italy believes that the current mixture of splinter armour and the distribution of machinery on the unit principle to be the most effective means of protection. The ship is already fitted with the latest Italian fire-prevention and management devices, which are widely regarded to be amongst the best in the world - born out of costly experience with Francesco Morosini in the 1920s.

The vessel when designed put a lot of attention into future operation of aircraft types, with a designed aircraft mass of 10,000kg. Additionally a large single hangar was built into the design. Italy estimates that in full service, the vessel would operate 36-48 aircraft with ease (although there's a bunch more misc. weight and space, comparison with say Colossus/Majestic etc. seems that 48+ aircraft is unlikely for this size of aircraft carrier)

Italy would like to offer a number of options for consideration:

- 15% Refit : Additional of light anti-aircraft guns, likely quadruple 37mm mountings and 25mm singles. This would also include the installation of surface and air search radars and electronic landing aids.

- 25% Refit : In addition to the above, the extension of the flight deck to to port side a bit and incorporation of a small elevator. Some more powerful secondary armament in addition to the AAA could also be added. Italy would recommend a number of 76mm singles. Additional armour could also be added, but Italy feels that the current level of protection is sufficient for this size of vessel. Effective protection against guns, bombs or torpedoes would be challenging to incorporate and her ability to operate aircraft would suffer.

- 50% Refit : This would be a considerably more thorough refit and essentially result in an entirely new vessel. Bulges would be added to the vessel to maintain stability. Large areas of the flight deck would be extended and an additional large elevator mounted aft. A new, more powerful and more modern catapult would also be added in the bows. New boilers and turbines would also be fitted at this point rather than waiting for a possible re-boilering around 1950-55. It is believed that more modern units would be able to maintain or slightly improve the speed. (Additional misc. weight would also be added and this would likely result in a ~15,000t vessel. I haven't put this through SS yet)

For an airgroup, Italy would build on the Reggiane Falcos already in service with Peru. Accompanying the ship would be an airgroup of Caproni Ariete fighter-bombers (capable of carrying 1000kg bombs or torpedoes), although Peru may wish to purchase specific strike aircraft as well; in this case Italy would offer the sucessor to the Breda Ba.67 which is currently under development. Italy would also point Peru in the direction of Cierva in Iberia for a number of R1 autogyros that have proved useful in the reconnaissance and liason functions.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
For an airgroup, Italy would build on the Reggiane Falcos already in service with Peru.

OOC comment: I thought the Peruvians were buying G.55 Centauros, not Falcos. Did I miss something?

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
OOC comment: I thought the Peruvians were buying G.55 Centauros, not Falcos. Did I miss something?

I thought the Falco was already in service and had been for some time... Maybe I'm just getting mistaken from previous conversations with Alvama, although you'll see them in his Almirante Aguirre drawings.

So maybe no commonality, but still a pretty good carrier fighter-bomber.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
OOC comment: I thought the Peruvians were buying G.55 Centauros, not Falcos. Did I miss something?

I thought the Falco was already in service and had been for some time... Maybe I'm just getting mistaken from previous conversations with Alvama, although you'll see them in his Almirante Aguirre drawings.

To the best of my knowledge (and with some quick research), the Peruvians bought Hurricanes (in 1935ish) and Defiants (1935ish), Boulton-Paul P.94s (1938ish), and then G.55s (1941ish). If Peru ever bought Falcos, then it was never posted - I tend to keep notes, for obvious reasons. I know that when Alvama and I were discussing carriers way back when, I suggested the Reggiane might be one of the more plausible choices to use in this period, due to the alliance connections and all.

Appreciate the input to date.

Questions:

-All in general: A sense of "slip charges" or "fees" for new-builds would be helpful.

-For those offering second-hand, a starting asking price would be helpful.

-For Russia: Was the Canopus being subject to a refit at the same time as her conversion? What is the date of the machinery? And what might the drydock rental fees work out ot be?

OOC : Hmm, never good at these. The Dutch let the Thais use unused slips in DEI 'at cost', but the Dutch-Thai relationship is stronger and more critical...still Peru is part of AEGIS....it would make Iberia happy... and we have 4 Class 3 slips going unused...nice to employ the dockworkers...still payment would likely be in installments, will need to arrange financing to allow materials to be ordered in advance, etc...say a 5% overage?

IC : A 5% fee is all that is requested.

As Peru is an 'F' Nation, the maximum charged is 5%, but it could be lowered (depending on Japan's mood and the position of the sun, the moon and the inner planets)