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Battleships
Romania/Poland
Class of 4 35000t ship

cost 140000t estimeted time of complition 1940.

Cruisers

Romania/Yugoslavia
Class of 4 13000t ships

Cost 52000t estimated time of complition 1940

Torpedoboats.
Poland/Romania/Yugoslavia
Class of 20 1000t ships

Cost 20000t estimated time of completion 1936

Total cost 212000t

[Germany blinks, rubs its collective eyes, blinks again.]

Hmmm, those Cruisers are interesting, as they are likely to need a lot of strength to survive.

Also those BB's are gonna be quite effective at changing the balance of power in the Baltic/black sea.

Official Nordmark response:


Where are our TB's and ML's

Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
[Germany blinks, rubs its collective eyes, blinks again.]

I did not think its supprise anyone. I was writing about building BB for a year now.
Besides You are supplying Main altilery for those up coming ships.


The plan is that by 1940 fleet list will look like that

Romania

2 BB
2 CA(under cleito there more of small BB)
12 DD
2 CDBB

Poland

2BB
6CL
10DD
20TB

Yugoslavia
2CA(small BB under Cleito)
6 DD
15 TB

Battleship have 8x380mm on a 35000t hull speed 28kt
CA of Yogoslavia and Romania will be Panzerschiff style ship.6x280mm on 13000t speed 28kt
CL for poland will be torpedo heavy fast ships.
Romanian DD will be large Destroyers killer
TB will be ~1000t Peggy Brown's

[chuckle] Germany's supplying the 283 mm guns, yes, not the 380 mm guns (at least not yet). Besides, while you've talked about BBs, we haven't seen any relatively concrete plans to actually BUILD them..... There's a difference.

Yes Nordmark wonders how on earth that PRJ will ever build such ships, maybe they should go for a larger number of WW Blucher / Gota lejon size ships.

Two ship of the class will be laid down in Q2,1932
One In Constantia other in Gdansk

CA, Romania/Poland Armoured Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
12 860 t light; 13 559 t standard; 14 380 t normal; 15 036 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
565,22 ft / 557,74 ft x 78,74 ft x 22,97 ft (normal load)
172,28 m / 170,00 m x 24,00 m x 7,00 m

Armament:
6 - 11,14" / 283 mm guns (2x3 guns), 727,53lbs / 330,00kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x3 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 4,33" / 110 mm guns (8x2 guns), 40,61lbs / 18,42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships
16 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 5 839 lbs / 2 648 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
6 - 23,6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 409,94 ft / 124,95 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,97" / 50 mm 409,94 ft / 124,95 m 19,98 ft / 6,09 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 9,84" / 250 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,20" / 5 mm -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2,56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 66 288 shp / 49 451 Kw = 28,00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 478 tons

Complement:
656 - 853

Cost:
£5,751 million / $23,006 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 703 tons, 4,9%
Armour: 3 804 tons, 26,5%
- Belts: 721 tons, 5,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 597 tons, 4,1%
- Armament: 977 tons, 6,8%
- Armour Deck: 1 384 tons, 9,6%
- Conning Tower: 125 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 1 982 tons, 13,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 321 tons, 44,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 519 tons, 10,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20 055 lbs / 9 097 Kg = 29,0 x 11,1 " / 283 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 14,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0,499
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,08 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27,89 ft / 8,50 m
- Forecastle (14%): 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
- Mid (50%): 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
- Quarterdeck (13%): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m (19,03 ft / 5,80 m before break)
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 18,74 ft / 5,71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142,3%
Waterplane Area: 29 234 Square feet or 2 716 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 737 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,65
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent




Ship is design to fight heavy cruiser its speed makes it a defencive platform.
Ship will carry two Lublin XIIIter floatplanes.

As for BB.
Im upgrading type 2 drydocks in Constantia and Gdansk.
As soon as I finalise the deal on the scrap metal Im posting the report.

Hmmm, Target Practice.

For a defensive platform she hasn't got much in the way of armour

Quoted

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Is the belt armor right? I thought a previous design we saw had heavier armor there (edit - it did, the previous design carried 175mm armor on the belts).

Also, the 283mm gun provided by Krupp is available with either a 300 kg shell or a 330 kg shell, whichever Poland and Rumania would prefer.

Shells are now 330kg

Yes the armour is right the most likly enemy are other CA there fore the armour is sufitient.

Allthou Romania is viewing there BB/CA program as the fleets primary mean of combat.
Yugoslavia is looking at the ships as a sopport ship.
The cruiser will always sail with a torpedoboat flotilla.

Poland is doing the same but insted of a CA sopporting a TB
They will have a BB sopporting Torpedo cruisers and DD's

Seems to me that the third and fourth batteries are kind of redundant...