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Originally posted by CanisD
Didn't we have rules for aging ships loosing effectiveness? I've been looking but can't find them.

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
Yes, Wes and I distinctly remember a rule saying ships required 15% refits every 15 years, or they began to lose 2% 'strength' per year (or something close to that), but oddly enough, we can't find it anywhere.

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2.2.2 Refits:

Any ship ages. Its combat ability degrades and time and technology advances. For each year over 15 that a ship has not been refitted, it suffers a 5% penalty to its combat performance. Note that a ship may be refitted at any time, subject to any relevant naval treaty restrictions.

A refit involves the replacement of relatively small items such as wireless, secondary guns, radar, and fire control directors. General internal hull fittings such as bulkheads and bunks may also be replaced at this time. It does not affect the ship’s hull or its overall performance to any notable degree.

The cost for refitting a ship is equivalent to 25% of its build cost. The time it takes to refit is equal to that figure as well. If a battleship originally cost 40,000 tons of material to build, its refit cost would be 10,000 tons of material and the time required would be 12,5 months. A refit does not add to the value of the ship, it just refreshes its combat ability.

Once a ship is refitted, it is no longer subject to the combat penalties mentioned above.

2.2.3 Rebuilds
Although a refit does extend the career of a warship, she will need more extensive work after thirty years of service in order to remain effective. For each year over thirty that the ship has been in commission, she will suffer a 5% penalty to all aspects of her operation (combat, speed, damage control, etc) as parts simply wear out. Note that a ship may be rebuilt at any time, subject to the terms of relevant naval treaties. A rebuild will require that the ship be dry-docked.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
Yes, Wes and I distinctly remember a rule saying ships required 15% refits every 15 years, or they began to lose 2% 'strength' per year (or something close to that), but oddly enough, we can't find it anywhere.

25% refit every 15 years and a 50% rebuild every 20 years. If the ship gets to be 15 years old without a refit it's at 95% "effectiveness". It then loses 2% a year after that. Might even then need further rebuilds at 10year intervals, not sure if I'm remembering that one right.

The jump from 25% at 15years old to 50% at 20years old didn't make a great deal of sense and lead to a lot of ships being re-engined in the 1920s. Personally I'd think that 25% at 10years old and 50% at 20years old makes more sense. ~20years is a reasonable figure for ship life. Engines would be fairly worn out by this stage and the hull would need some work as well if it was to continue in service.

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Originally posted by AdmKuznetsov
A 25% refit at 15.

A 50% partial reconstruction or a 75% full reconstruction at 30 years.

I'm open to RAs suggested reduction. It would keep mad rebuilders like me from getting too far out of line.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Is this a rule proposition?

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Is this a rule proposition?

1: 25% Refit when the ship is 10 years old, or the ship loses 5% "effectiveness" per year

2: 50% Rebuild when the ship is 20 years old, or the ship loses 10% "effectiveness" per year

3. Ships over 20 years old require a 50% rebuild every 10 years

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1. Covers obsolescence of combat systems etc.
2. Covers the ship being worn out
3. The ship is being even more worn out, a 20year hull life is a reasonable measure of thumb

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
It's not been "the rules" for several years and never missed until now. It appears to me that the new refit rules eliminated it.

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I'd be in favor of re-enforcing the original rule (or something close to it), but this seems rather excessive. Especially when you have the 15% refit in the rules specifically stating "Internal refurbishments for life extention purposes" not the 25%.

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Ships like Latorre, Sao Paulo, and Yavuz did not get major reconstructions every 10 years, and did not degrade quite so rapidly.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Really odd. *confused* I guess it must have happened quite some time ago but for what reason, I really don´t know or remember.