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What's the current status of the Blue Riband? America will complete in 1939. She was intended to be a contender, but I noticed that Olympic II has a design speed of 40kts.

top speed 36kts
range 5,000nm@36kts

She's a contender, even against Olympic, who tops out at 40kts, but only has fuel for 4,000nm@36kts.

Olympic II was designed with a similar methodology as the historical United States; Seize the riband, and hold it. I dispute the exact results achived with Springsharp, as it's truly horrid with high-speed designs, but what was achieved is what's posted.

The relevant news and discussion;
Canada 1935

France 1936

Canada 1936

I'd presume Olympic retains the Riband at the moment, and if seriously challenged, would make more expensive speed runs in attempts to continue challenging until such time as it becomes an obvious no-win.

America is designed for 6000nm at 36kts.

SS America thread

Ireland's liner will beat you, beat you all in fuel efficiency.

Nordmark will build a large flying boat, skim the surface all the way across and claim it counts.

And then there is of course FerryX, the biggest, most intimidating passenger vessel of all [SIZE=1](located above the Irish liner sim)[/SIZE].

I have been playing with the idea to try and get something faster and bigger, though haven't tried anything yet...

I need to get with it. I assume GB built Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth as OTL (I'd need to check back on that).

Maybe Cunard needs a new liner for the 1940s...

While Canada and GB may be allies through a number of agreements, I think that when it comes to the liner business, they should be mortal enemies. So with that Olympic II around, GB definitely needs a new liner for the 1940s.

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Originally posted by Hood
I need to get with it. I assume GB built Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth as OTL (I'd need to check back on that).

Maybe Cunard needs a new liner for the 1940s...

RLBH posted some ideas for the Queens, they were larger than historical.

One moment please . . .

Queen Mary
Queen Elizabeth

There's also a Lantean liner, among others in that thread.

I think RLBH's QE is a bit too large for my tastes.

I think perhaps its time to build her as an improved Queen Mary.

No mention was made of either in RLBH's news, as I recall, so I'd say you're free to do whatever you'd like in those respects

Rather fun AltHist novel where Titanic never sinks and White Star becomes the powerhouse of the Atlantic over Cunard.
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/on…-voyage/2015024

I should send the Vespas and cheat on the route. Fill 'em with identical twins and fly anyone important between the two, enroute...

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Originally posted by CanisD
Rather fun AltHist novel where Titanic never sinks and White Star becomes the powerhouse of the Atlantic over Cunard.
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/on…-voyage/2015024

When White Star historically had problems, and IMM broke up, I had Canada step in and prop them up independant from the Crown's assistance to Cunard, avoiding the historical merger. Hence Oceanic III and Olympic II, and the original Olympic being preserved at Belfast.

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
Olympic II was designed with a similar methodology as the historical United States; Seize the riband, and hold it. I dispute the exact results achived with Springsharp, as it's truly horrid with high-speed designs, but what was achieved is what's posted.

I'd presume Olympic retains the Riband at the moment, and if seriously challenged, would make more expensive speed runs in attempts to continue challenging until such time as it becomes an obvious no-win.

...or simply build another Liner to beat Olympic II...

Historically, the liner trade was mostly downhill after the 20s. Dunno how the lack of a serious depressing and (so far) major war would affect that, tho.

I think as the UK player I would decide that Queen Mary was built as RLBH intended and that Queen Elizabeth followed her two years later to an identical design.

That just leaves me to design the Queen Victoria to keep up the Cunard traditions.

Here is my contender for the Blue Riband, laid down sometime in the late 1920s to early 1930s, and will crush all your records, and leave you swamped in my wake. With this liner the Blue Riband will be coming home to the Canadian nation. If you guys have a ship that give my liner a run for its money, i want to hear about it.

RMS Canada – Canada's Blue Riband Contender

Gross Tonnage: 51,492 gross tons (approx)

Displacement: 34,970 t light; 35,802 t standard; 41,600 t normal; 46,238 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(992.00 ft / 950.05 ft) x 100.00 ft x (30.00 ft / 32.64 ft)
(302.36 m / 289.58 m) x 30.48 m x (9.14 m / 9.95 m)

Machinery:
• Oil fired boilers, steam turbines
• Geared drive, 4 shafts, 242,430 shp / 248,000 bhp = 38 knots
• Range 4,000 nm @ 38 knots or equivalent 10,000 nm @ 35 knots
• Bunker at normal / max displacement = 5,798 tons / 10,436 tons (fuel oil)

Complement: 1,456 - 1,893 (designed for 1,000)

Cost: £15.917 million / $63.669 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
• Machinery: 5,800 tons, 13.9 %
• Hull, Fittings & Equipment: 15,721 tons, 37.8 %
• Fuel & Stores: 6,630 tons, 15.9 %
• Miscellaneous Weights: 13,450 tons, 32.3 %
o Hull below water: 4,800 tons
o Hull above water: 3,600 tons
o On freeboard deck: 4,800 tons
o Above deck: 250 tons
Overall Survivability and Seakeeping Ability:
• Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
o 90,379 lbs / 40,995 kg = 836.8 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
• Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
• Metacentric height 6.4 ft / 1.9 m
• Roll Period: 16.7 seconds
• Steadiness (Average = 50 %): 88 %
• Seaboat Quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull Form Characteristics:
• Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and a round stern
• Block Coefficient (normal/deep): 0.511 / 0.522
• Length to Beam Ratio: 9.50 : 1
• Hull Speed: 41.30 kts
• Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
• Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
• Bow Angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.00 degrees
• Stern Overhang: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
• Freeboard Breakdown
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 45.00 ft / 13.72 m, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m, 42.00 ft / 12.80 m
- Average freeboard: 42.24 ft / 12.87 m

Ship Space, Strength and Comments:
• Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 338.3 %
• Waterplane Area: 61,573 square feet or 5,720 square meters
• Displacement Factor (displacement / loading): 166 %
• Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 661 kg/sq meter
• Hull strength (Relative):
o Cross-sectional: 0.90
o Longitudinal: 2.48
o Overall: 1.00
• She has excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
• She has Excellent accommodation and workspace room
• She has a slow, easy roll, a good, steady ocean liner
• She is an excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Passenger Count
Allowing a 1,200 ton capacity for passenger baggage and express cargo leaves 12,250 tons for passengers.

First Class Passengers (16 tons/passenger): 60% = 7,350 tons = 460 passengers
Second Class Passenger (4 tons/passenger): 40% = 4,900 tons = 1,224 passengers
Total Passenger Capacity = 1,684 passengers

Passenger Space Ratio (GRT/guest) = 30.6 tons/guest