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Original Sim:
Displacement:
26,378 t light; 27,997 t standard; 30,208 t normal; 31,977 t full load
Dimensions:
Length overall / water x beam x draught
691.25 ft / 679.13 ft x 99.74 ft x 28.38 ft (normal load)
210.69 m / 207.00 m x 30.40 m x 8.65 m
Armament:
8 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1,308.33lbs / 593.45kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 103.21lbs / 46.82kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35.22lbs / 15.98kg shells, 1929 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
16 - 1.38" / 35.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1929 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,878 lbs / 5,388 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 380 mm 398.00 ft / 121.31 m 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.8" / 400 mm 11.8" / 300 mm 13.8" / 350 mm
2nd: 3.15" / 80 mm 1.38" / 35 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.78" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 4.52" / 115 mm, Conning tower: 14.17" / 360 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 99,195 shp / 74,000 Kw = 27.94 kts
Range 14,200nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,980 tons
Complement:
1,145 - 1,489
Cost:
£10.388 million / $41.552 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,485 tons, 4.9 %
Armour: 9,876 tons, 32.7 %
- Belts: 3,112 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 385 tons, 1.3 %
- Armament: 2,130 tons, 7.1 %
- Armour Deck: 3,953 tons, 13.1 %
- Conning Tower: 296 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 3,047 tons, 10.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,871 tons, 39.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,830 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 0.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41,784 lbs / 18,953 Kg = 31.9 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 17.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (0 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 20.60 ft / 6.28 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.3 %
Waterplane Area: 47,273 Square feet or 4,392 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.42
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Displacement:
26.365 t light; 27.996 t standard; 30.207 t normal; 31.976 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
691,25 ft / 679,13 ft x 99,74 ft x 28,38 ft (normal load)
210,69 m / 207,00 m x 30,40 m x 8,65 m
Armament:
8 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1.308,33lbs / 593,45kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1947 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1947 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
40 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (20x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
60 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns (30x2 guns), 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11.962 lbs / 5.426 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 398,00 ft / 121,31 m 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 90% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,00" / 25 mm 400,00 ft / 121,92 m 25,98 ft / 7,92 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,7" / 400 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,38" / 35 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
3rd: 1,97" / 50 mm - -
4th: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 4,53" / 115 mm, Conning tower: 14,17" / 360 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 99.196 shp / 74.000 Kw = 27,94 kts
Range 14.200nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3.980 tons
Complement:
1.145 - 1.489
Cost:
£10,421 million / $41,684 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.495 tons, 4,9%
Armour: 9.951 tons, 32,9%
- Belts: 3.117 tons, 10,3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 385 tons, 1,3%
- Armament: 2.194 tons, 7,3%
- Armour Deck: 3.959 tons, 13,1%
- Conning Tower: 296 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 3.047 tons, 10,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.748 tons, 38,9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.842 tons, 12,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 0,4%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40.723 lbs / 18.472 Kg = 31,1 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 6,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 5,9 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 17,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,98 ft / 7,92 m
- Forecastle (25%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Mid (0%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Stern: 20,01 ft / 6,10 m
- Average freeboard: 20,61 ft / 6,28 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157,4%
Waterplane Area: 47.272 Square feet or 4.392 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 884 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 0,98
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Your hull strength issue is probably that my original seems to lack hoists on the 105s and yours includes them. I don't know why I did it that way, or why some of the mounts are raised when I'd have gone with the as-illustrated all-main-deck disposition.
...when did China pick up that ship?
Nope :( I have reduced the number and the type and it still doesn't work :( Also in my eyes some strong AA armament is necessary to fight against the threat of enemy airforces, so i won't reduce the numbers.
May be you have the original Springsharp file - so i can import it and use it as source.
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Sorry something is amiss. I can't see why there'd be such a problem. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the dimensions had third or fourth decimal places, though, including the BC; the design was, after all, built in the treaty era.
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You might try taking Walter's sim from above and drop a few main battery rounds (perhaps try going down to 145 rpg) in order to get the hull strength up to 1.00. So long as the hull strength meets requirements and the light displacement remains the same, some very minor changes to the sim can be tolerated in order to reproduce an original design for rebuilding purposes.
You are probably forgetting that changing the rounds per gun will automatically increase the light displacement so you will need to mess around quite a bit to get it sorted.
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If the only difference with that sim is the % of the forecastle length, I'd say go with it.
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If the only difference with that sim is the % of the forecastle length, I'd say go with it.
That is the only difference, but as it is it is a rather limited design when it comes to refit options.
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Displacement:
26.378 t light; 27.997 t standard; 30.208 t normal; 31.977 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
691,25 ft / 679,13 ft x 99,74 ft x 28,38 ft (normal load)
210,69 m / 207,00 m x 30,40 m x 8,65 m
Armament:
8 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1.308,33lbs / 593,45kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 103,21lbs / 46,82kg shells, 1929 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (8x2 guns), 35,22lbs / 15,98kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
40 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (20x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1947 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11.928 lbs / 5.411 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 149
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 397,98 ft / 121,30 m 11,79 ft / 3,59 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 90% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,00" / 25 mm 400,00 ft / 121,92 m 25,98 ft / 7,92 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,8" / 401 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,38" / 35 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0,78" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0,27" / 7 mm - -
- Armour deck: 4,52" / 115 mm, Conning tower: 14,17" / 360 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 99.195 shp / 74.000 Kw = 27,94 kts
Range 14.200nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3.980 tons
Complement:
1.145 - 1.489
Cost:
£10,409 million / $41,635 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.491 tons, 4,9%
Armour: 9.881 tons, 32,7%
- Belts: 3.112 tons, 10,3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 385 tons, 1,3%
- Armament: 2.135 tons, 7,1%
- Armour Deck: 3.953 tons, 13,1%
- Conning Tower: 296 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 3.047 tons, 10,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.860 tons, 39,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.830 tons, 12,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41.677 lbs / 18.905 Kg = 31,9 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 6,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 17,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,00 ft / 7,92 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Mid (0%): 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Stern: 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Average freeboard: 20,48 ft / 6,24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89,9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157,3%
Waterplane Area: 47.272 Square feet or 4.392 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,41
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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