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Eire, Irish Destroyer laid down 1936
Displacement:
1,688 t light; 1,790 t standard; 2,029 t normal; 2,221 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
394.37 ft / 385.00 ft x 36.00 ft x 12.20 ft (normal load)
120.20 m / 117.35 m x 10.97 m x 3.72 m
Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.40kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 546 lbs / 248 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
10 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
- Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 38,156 shp / 28,464 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 5,400nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 431 tons
Complement:
150 - 196
Cost:
£1.271 million / $5.085 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 68 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 33 tons, 1.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 28 tons, 1.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 891 tons, 43.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 650 tons, 32.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 341 tons, 16.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 45 tons, 2.2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
705 lbs / 320 Kg = 10.5 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.420
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.69 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.75 ft / 7.85 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.50 ft / 6.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.50 ft / 6.25 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 16.67 ft / 5.08 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 170.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.2 %
Waterplane Area: 8,970 Square feet or 833 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 175 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.24
- Overall: 0.58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
In addition to a follow on batch of J type destroyers, under the I designation, Atlantis will be laying down a new standard type also available for export. Orriginally designed to an Irish specification the "K" class mounts an additional 5.1" turret. One ship is building for Ireland.
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
In addition to a follow on batch of J type destroyers, under the I designation, Atlantis will be laying down a new standard type also available for export. Orriginally designed to an Irish specification the "K" class mounts an additional 5.1" turret. One ship is building for Ireland.
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Behold the Irish flagship! Ain't she purty?![]()
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Commodore Green" (Jun 6th 2008, 3:25pm)
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Well, she´s definetively a beauty. Looks more like small cruiser than a DD to me.![]()
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The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them.....
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You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids!
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
At the moment I'm only planning to build one (LE Eire herself) but should the situation require four more to fill out a fast destroyer division, I think we can safely say they'll be named after the four provinces. I really wanted something along the lines of a Tribal-class DD, and a modified J fit the bill perfectly... and looks good into the bargain.
[SIZE=1]You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids![/SIZE][SIZE=1]Okay, so they can still run us down with fifteen dozen battleships, but it's the pride of the thing![/SIZE]
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Originally posted by Commodore Green
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
At the moment I'm only planning to build one (LE Eire herself) but should the situation require four more to fill out a fast destroyer division, I think we can safely say they'll be named after the four provinces. I really wanted something along the lines of a Tribal-class DD, and a modified J fit the bill perfectly... and looks good into the bargain.
[SIZE=1]You know what this means, eh? Ireland is fielding a bigger, heavier, better-armed destroyer than those English bastids![/SIZE][SIZE=1]Okay, so they can still run us down with fifteen dozen battleships, but it's the pride of the thing![/SIZE]
If you wanted to make it 6 overall, you could go with the ancient provinces.....
Ulster
Munster
Leinster
Connaucht
....and "Meath", the ancient seat of "Ard Ri na hEireann", and a province in it's own right, (but don't tell the Meath men that, they're insufferable enough already!!)
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Wes, that BB is a fine designed, carefully continueing your design tree. I like that much better than all those mega-monster-BBs now planned or laid down everywhere. The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them..... And of course those knots would have cost you either armor, armament or money (as you would have to increase size).
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Originally posted by Rooijen10
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The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them.....
I don't think it is too bad. The speed roughly matches the speed of the ships of the Philomedes and Memnon classes.
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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Wes, that BB is a fine designed, carefully continueing your design tree. I like that much better than all those mega-monster-BBs now planned or laid down everywhere. The only think the RSAN would worry about is her relatively low speed and RSAN designers think it would have been better to go for another 2-3 knots but that´s probably just them..... And of course those knots would have cost you either armor, armament or money (as you would have to increase size).
This class as advertised is a stop gap measure, hence her less meglamaniacal displacement. There is a bigger class in the pipeline but they will take some time to finish building. Even then they are roughly the size of the Iowa's, again in an attempt to limit their displacement, or in sim terms keep their building time to a minimum. As for the speed issue, I'm thinking about laying down a class of fast BC's armed with 12" to escort the carriers and more importantly for the caribbean theatre were there are several smaller BC's that are potential threats.
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Originally posted by Commodore Green
"Meath" the province was made up of the current counties of Meath AND Westmeath (WM is the "youngest" county in the country!)
As for the CDS, you're right, it's a nice idea but really pointless.
As for GB....
90% of the artillery in Ireland was aimed North during WW2, (we called it "The Emergency") as we belived that the British would take the oppertunity to "reclaim lost property", and put us "troublesome Irish" back in our place.......
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
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Originally posted by Commodore Green
As for GB....
90% of the artillery in Ireland was aimed North during WW2, (we called it "The Emergency") as we belived that the British would take the oppertunity to "reclaim lost property", and put us "troublesome Irish" back in our place.......
Which I understand the Brits considered. They didn't trust DeVelera (?) and "Gap" in the Atlantic could be considerably closed by planes out of Ireland. I vaguely recall reading that at least, I think in Churchill's histories.
While not addressed, I would guess invading a neutral nation linked to a huge chunk of the US population would not have help garner more US support.
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