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Originally posted by Hood
RA seems to have the know-who here and he's put a lot of work on this engine and fighter over a couple of years, this is not just some hair-brained scheme out of thin air. I feel if he had offered a conventional twin-engined fighter few would have even noticed or complained. As I think of the G.50 it is an over-enginered twin-engined heavy fighter with a serious attempt made to cut drag.
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Originally posted by Hood
Please lets not assume anything about the Griffon and Sabre in WW. Those engines are now under my control in terms of developments and timeframes. It may prove the Griffon replaces the Merlin much earlier and that the Sabre gets abandoned. Anything may happen here so direct comparisons mean little (I doubt Italian engineers even know what Napier and RR are working on at the moment).
RA seems to have the know-who here and he's put a lot of work on this engine and fighter over a couple of years, this is not just some hair-brained scheme out of thin air. I feel if he had offered a conventional twin-engined fighter few would have even noticed or complained. As I think of the G.50 it is an over-enginered twin-engined heavy fighter with a serious attempt made to cut drag.
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I also believe that this will spark a lot of investments in Jet R&D by various Nations and Firms
I'm pretty sure I've seen different specs for thos planes with much lower numbers. Even the late war P-38s with turbocharged V-1710s didn't manage those numbers. Once you reach 400mph efficiency of propellers starts dropping rapidly, it is very hard to reach speed over 500mph. You need either a very clean (and light) fuselague, a very powerful engine, or both. And I don't see that as possible with 1935 technology except for specialized racing planes.Quoted
I went away and looked thorugh my books again as I thought I was missing something. I was, in the form of the Supermarine 324,325 and 327 fighters that were designed to the same spec as the Typhoon in 1937/38. They didn't get built as Supermarine had enough on it's hands with the Spitfire and the 317 bomber. They are conventional two engine configuation, all with Merlin engines that give 1265hp apart from the 325 that uses pusher props. Size and weight are fairly similar, speeds range from 450mph @ 18250ft to 465mph@22,000ft. Armament is 12x0.303 or 6 x 20mm cannon.
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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Please tell me which other gas turbines engineers were close to having a working design in this time frame. Von Ohain doesn't count as he simply copied Whittle.
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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
References to engines such as the Griffon or Sabre are about real world production engines to be used as benchmarks to evaluate the +3 to +5 year agreement, and thus marking the outer limits of Tech.
RA has a great deal of knowledge and very detailed concepts, and that has already led to allowances for limited production of "Handworked" engines that exceed the limits allowed every other player.
I disagree that this exception should in some way be a standard. That would be comparable if we had a player with deep knowledge of steam plants, and so that individual was allowed to have his nation starting to lay down ships with engines dating from +3 years ahead of everyone else.
As for the engine layout vs. conventional twins, we haven't addressed that as much. Though we should probably ask for real world production examples of that layout. Coupled real world engines like the vulture were not arranged in that manner.
The layout presented has significant advantages over a conventional layout and one must wonder why it was not in fact done and other engine arrangements were used.
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Oh, please tell me a reliable source that says Von Ohain copied Whittle.
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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
Canada is supposed to have a domestic aircraft industry, but I can't do much with it because I completely lack the ability to be creative enough with aircraft design to do anything other than copy things here, and steal things there. But then we have Gavin running a nation that did have a historical aircraft history and industry, but he's putting out almost entirely off-the-wall fictional and bleeding-edge aircraft. And then the rest of us have to try playing catch-up with that, and we end up with Spitfires and P-51s in 1936, and the less Aero-skilled players who have no historical designs to advance are kind of getting shafted here. :\
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