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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
That's certainly a reasonable reading of things: the intent might be for others to react and cause the end of the Treaty, while leaving Japanese hands (ostensibly, at least) clean of being the first to walk away.
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Originally posted by Ithekro
From this reading is seems more like bait. Word a subject to spark a reaction. Point out a loophole. Get questioned on it. Point out that even without the loophole the "violator" is still within their normal treaty limits anyway.
If I recall France and Italy backed out of the Washington Treaty historically when the London Treaty came about.
Japan did so at the Second London Treaty leaving only the United Kingdom and United States in the treaty. They followed it until just before the war broke out if I recall correctly.
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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
That's certainly a reasonable reading of things: the intent might be for others to react and cause the end of the Treaty, while leaving Japanese hands (ostensibly, at least) clean of being the first to walk away.
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If the international community comes to the general conclusion that Japan has been violating the treaty without officially being the first to 'walk away', I don't think they'll consider their hands to be 'clean', either, no matter what protestations or excuses they try and make.
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Carriers and Battleships are more or less capital ships and as such have the specific wording involved.
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. Capital ships
The following is to be carried out:
(1) Removal of main armament guns, revolving parts of all
barbettes and turrets; machinery for operating turrets;
but three turrets with their armament may be retained in
each ship;
(2) Removal of all ammunition and explosives in excess of the
quantity required for target practice training for the
guns remaining on board;
(3) Removal of conning tower and the side armour belt between
the foremost and aftermost barbettes;
(4) Removal or mutilation of all torpedo tubes;
(5) Removal or mutilation on board of all boilers in excess of
the number required for a maximum speed of eighteen knots.
3. Other surface vessels
The following is to be carried out:
(1) Removal of all main guns in excess of four;
(2) Removal of all torpedo tubes from cruisers;
(3) Removal of all aviation facilities and accessories;
(4) Removal of one half of the boilers from cruisers.
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1. Capital ships
The following is to be carried out:
(1) Maximum of three main gun turrets.
(2) No more ammunition and explosives to be carried in excess of the quantity required for target practice training for the guns.
(3) No conning tower and no side armour belt between the foremost and aftermost barbettes.
(4) No torpedo tubes.
(5) Maximum speed of eighteen knots.
3. Other surface vessels
The following is to be carried out:
(1) Maximum of four main guns.
(2) No torpedo tubes.
(3) No aviation facilities and accessories.
(4) Maximum speed of eighteen knots.
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If I recall France and Italy backed out of the Washington Treaty historically when the London Treaty came about.
Japan did so at the Second London Treaty leaving only the United Kingdom and United States in the treaty. They followed it until just before the war broke out if I recall correctly.
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Chile's reaction if it was part of the treaty:
"I'm getting a fine tutsi fruitsing right here."
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I don't think they'll consider their hands to be 'clean'
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I still think whole chapter H has nothing to do with newly build ships - but this little "...or purpose-build" - which I missed entirely before, I have to admit - wrecked it all.
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That's certainly a reasonable reading of things: the intent might be for others to react and cause the end of the Treaty, while leaving Japanese hands (ostensibly, at least) clean of being the first to walk away.
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I just wanted to be sure - I´ve heard to many different things about those BCs. Including information from Walter, that is. But it wouldn´t be the first time I miss something in a players report... :o/
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