WesWorld

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If i had something of that kind in mind, i would have contact you before. But if you would say, that the northern part of Formosa is closed to Philippine air space than i have to apologize.

Thank you for the prompt clarification.

Certainly Taipei is far beyond detection range of the current Philippine detection network. And I look forward to orchestrating news items in the future. While Walter's comments are somewhat strident, a suggestion as to the course flown by the aircraft in your post might have avoided the concern.

Okay. I will consider it in the future.

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So we have a flight of nearly 6000 km with a cruising speed of 300 km/h we have a flight duration of nearly 20 h

One minor error with that is that the departure of the plane is "21. May 1946; 04:00" and arrival back at Harbin is "21. May 1946; late afternoon". That to me suggests a flight of 12-14 hours. Nearly 20 hours would mean it is almost midnight when the plane returns.

Looking back at my previous post, I actually messed up my calculations. It should be 1500 km. But then, if we are going to assume 20 hours at 300 kph, you're back at 3000 km again so in theory the plane could have come close to the Philippines.

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Hitting other airspace ? NO

A shame. I think quite a few nations were already cleaning the gun barrels of their fighters to give the plane a proper unwelcome.

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Long Range Detection possible ? NO

Actually, I would say Yes to that one (though it would depend on your definition of "Long Range"). When looking at the wiki info of the OTL Japanese Type 3 Mark 1 Model 4 "14-Go" AS radar from 1945, it has a range of 250-450km (depending on what is being picked up). Considering the location and importance of the Senkaku islands, I would think that some radar like that would be located there to keep an eye on the sky. Taipei is only 208 km away from Uotsurijima and perhaps you might not consider that long range but anything heading there would be picked up by the Japanese (but there should not be a problem if it stays far away). Looking with Google Earth, I would think that that Type 3 radar could probably pick up a formation of Chinese aircraft flying along the coastline of mainland China.

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do you really think i will post something evil if others are nearly one year in front of this news ???

Don't worry about that. We will just spam post our responses to your actions in your news thread then.

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When looking at the wiki info of the OTL Japanese Type 3 Mark 1 Model 4 "14-Go" AS radar from 1945, it has a range of 250-450km (depending on what is being picked up)... I would think that that Type 3 radar could probably pick up a formation of Chinese aircraft flying along the coastline of mainland China.

I'm not familiar with the Type 3 per se, but as a general rule with that period's state-of-the-art equipment, detecting a formation at that range would require weather conditions that allow ducting of the signal in order to overcome the line-of-sight horizon; single aircraft probably wouldn't be reliably detected beyond 150-180km, if that. Even if the plane was detected by happenstance, radar alone won't indicate that this plane is any different from any other Chinese aircraft flying in the vicinity. And since Parador said the aircraft remained in Chinese airspace the whole time, there's no visual sighting or anything...

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Hitting other airspace ? NO

A shame. I think quite a few nations were already cleaning the gun barrels of their fighters to give the plane a proper unwelcome. :D

While Russia would defend its airspace quite aggressively, they do not anticipate that their Chinese neighbors would be quite so foolish as to provoke them in an open fashion. It is lacking both in plausible deniability and - most importantly - payoff. Ergo any overflights are more likely the result of mishap than malice...

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I'm not familiar with the Type 3 per se, but as a general rule with that period's state-of-the-art equipment, detecting a formation at that range would require weather conditions that allow ducting of the signal in order to overcome the line-of-sight horizon;

I think height will probably also have something to do with it. If the formation flies at 8000 meters altitude, the distance to the horizon is almost 320 km and much easier to detect than a formation flying at 1000 meters. Height on the radar end is the same, whether the radar is at sea level or at 1000 meters above the sea.

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single aircraft probably wouldn't be reliably detected beyond 150-180km, if that.

That would 1depend on the size of that aircraft. Wiki gives the single aircraft range for the Type 3 Mark 1 Model 4 "14-Go" AS radar as 250 km but there is no indication as to what size the plane would be when detected at that range. Same goes for the formation detection ranges.

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Even if the plane was detected by happenstance, radar alone won't indicate that this plane is any different from any other Chinese aircraft flying in the vicinity.

For Long Range Detection, identification is not a requirement. Sure it will be like any other long distance blip and could thus be anything (so the Japanese do not think much of it as it is not closing in on Japanese airspace), but to make the claim "Long Range Detection possible ? NO" is in my opinion wrong. It is not a stealth plane. Considering where the plane is heading, Long Range Detection is possible.

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While Russia would defend its airspace quite aggressively, they do not anticipate that their Chinese neighbors would be quite so foolish as to provoke them in an open fashion.

Remember that they were foolish enough to shoot down that Indochinese transport plane in international airspace...

30. June 1946; Taklamakan Dessert near Loulan