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The historical PT-658 and the Indian MTB-85 are quite similar. The Indian MTB has 2x37mm while the PT658 has 1x40mm and 1x37mm cannon. Both designs and the MTB-408 are very similar in weight and overall armament. The PT-658 also has a crew of 2 officers and 14 enlisted so most likely there is some double duties involved.
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•Armament: One 40mm mount, two 21" torpedoes, two twin .50 cal. machine guns, one 37mm mount and one 20mm mount
Even more so would be a concern of where you plan to mount the rocket cells to account for back-blast, something the Bharati design would need to consider.
Even more so would be a concern of where you plan to mount the rocket cells to account for back-blast, something the Bharati design would need to consider.
The US MTBs had the rocket tubes on arms that folded out to hang about 2-3 feet off the side of the hull. They pointed forward and were fired electrically by the officer on the bridge when the boat was lined up with the target, a la a strafing aircraft. I've got a book at home that shows pictures of that.
Yeah. They were hinged so they could remain inboard during periods of travel, and then when they were ready to be used, a crewman folded them out. The book indicated the rockets were "very inaccurate" and they were used mostly for shore attacks, not for anti-ship work.
The other important point with these types of vessels is that crew is at a minimum number to save space and provisions so your going to get crew members performing double duties. Just because the craft has two 40mm, two 20mm and four 50 cal weapons it doesn't mean ALL will be manned at once or by the usual crew members. The Atlantean MTB-408 class is slightly longer, wider and has more draft when compared to the American design.
Seems to be common practice with MTB's, to give them the swiss army knife style armament. Given their small size you can only pack on so many weapons AND people to man them.The other important point with these types of vessels is that crew is at a minimum number to save space and provisions so your going to get crew members performing double duties. Just because the craft has two 40mm, two 20mm and four 50 cal weapons it doesn't mean ALL will be manned at once or by the usual crew members. The Atlantean MTB-408 class is slightly longer, wider and has more draft when compared to the American design.
Why would you mount weapons that cannot be manned in battle?
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The other important point with these types of vessels is that crew is at a minimum number to save space and provisions so your going to get crew members performing double duties.
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Just because the craft has two 40mm, two 20mm and four 50 cal weapons it doesn't mean ALL will be manned at once or by the usual crew members.
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This was most likely the wartime practice, when making a torpedo run you don't need all the AA guns manned, and you won't fire the torpedoes when under AA attack.
I don't quite agree with the at last bit. Using PT-109's crew as example, if I have a Motor Machinist's Mate who is trained to operate the 0.50" as well, I want him to man the 0.50" and not the 20mm or 37mm gun. Sure positions could be shuffled if one or more guys are killed in action, but under normal conditions I do not need 10 guys running to the same weapon to operate it and none to the 0.50" turrets or vice versa.
It makes sence for the Officers to be the ones firing the torpedo's as they are the ones operating the boat during maneuvers.I don't think that that would be the case. If you make a torpedo run on a ship with everyone aboard focused on the torpedoes and all of a sudden an aircraft attacks your boat, you're probably screwed.
However, when I look at this picture I ran across...
... that would make me think that the ones on the bridge (commander and XO) are the ones launching the torpedoes (as well as the rockets mounted on the PT boat in the photo). To me that means that you do not need to keep some of the AA stations unmanned as only a few guys (for example the two Torpedoman's Mates aboard PT-109) are needed to handle the preparations of the torpedoes.
Acctually that's a good point because the MTB-404's should have 16 crew members given the lesser armament. That said just because I list a boats armament as such it doesn't mean that every boat will have that armament as standard. Theres little need for depth charges in riverways, unless you lack fishing rods.......Another thing to keep in mind with the Atlantean boats is that the preceding MTB-404 class has a crew of 17 and less armament than the MTB-408 class with a crew of 16.
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Crew members would be assigned to standard positions yes, but given their is a ships captain on board I'm sure he will micro manage who go's where when he needs all hands on deck.
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Acctually that's a good point because the MTB-404's should have 16 crew members given the lesser armament. That said just because I list a boats armament as such it doesn't mean that every boat will have that armament as standard. Theres little need for depth charges in riverways, unless you lack fishing rods...
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