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Stockholm Naval Treaty
Battleships
Battleships (defined as a ship with a standard tonnage greater than 27,500 long tons and an armament of 11 inches or greater) are limited to a standard tonnage of no more than 40,000 long tons, with an armament no greater than 16.5 inches*. No ships with a tonnage or armament exceeding the above limits are to be constructed, sold, or delivered to a foreign power, and all ships built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.
*Exceptions: Signatories may field no more than two ships with a tonnage no greater than 50,000 long tons and an armament no greater than 18 inches.
Battleship Tonnage Limits:
British Empire (Australasia, Canada, Great Britain): 500,000 long tons
- HMS Dreadnought (1906) [Dreadnought class] = 18,120 long tons
- HMS Bellerophon (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS Superb (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS Temeraire (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS St. Vincent (1909) [St. Vincent class] = 19,560 long tons
- HMS Collingwood (1910) [St. Vincent class] = 19,560 long tons
- HMS Neptune (1911) [Neptune class] = 19,680 long tons
- HMS Colossus (1911) [Colossus class] = 20,225 long tons
- HMS Hercules (1911) [Colossus class] = 20,225 long tons
- HMS Orion (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Monarch (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Conqueror (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Thunderer (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS King George V (1912) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Centurion (1913) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Ajax (1913) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Iron Duke (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Marlborough (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Benbow (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Emperor of India (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Canada (1915) [Canada class] = 28,600 long tons
- HMS Eagle (1915) [Canada class] = 28,600 long tons
- HMS Queen Elizabeth (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Warspite (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Barham (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Valiant (1916) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Malaya (1916) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Revenge (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Royal Sovereign (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Royal Oak (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Resolution (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Ramillies (1917) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
Total: 679,670 long tons
Germany: 500,000 long tons
- SMS Nassau (1909) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Westfalen (1909) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Rheinland (1910) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Posen (1910) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Helgoland (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Ostfriesland (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Thüringen (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Oldenburg (1912) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Kaiser (1912) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Friedrich der Grosse (1912) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Kaiserin (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Prinzregent Luitpold (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS König Albert (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS König (1913) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Grosser Kurfürst (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Markgraf (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Kronprinz (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Bayern (1912) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
- SMS Baden (1912) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
Total: 488,840 long tons
United States: 340,000 long tons
- N/A
Japan: 340,000 long tons
- IJN FusM (1914) [FusM class] = 29,330 long tons
- IJN Yamashiro (1914) [FusM class] = 29,330 long tons
- IJN Ise (1916) [Ise class] = 29,990 long tons
- IJN Hykga (191 [Ise class] = 29,990 long tons
- IJN Nagato (1920) [Nagato class] = 32,720 long tons
- IJN Mutsu (1921) [Nagato class] = 32,720 long tons
Total: 184,080 long tons
Russia: 260,000 long tons
- Gangut (1915) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Petropavlovsk (1915) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Sevastopol (1914) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Poltava (1914) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Imperatritsa Mariya (1915) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperatritsa Ekaterina Velikaya (1915) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperator Aleksandr III (1917) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperator Nikolai I (1920) [Imperator Nikolai I class] = 31,880 long tons
Total: 199,170 long tons
France: 180,000 long tons
- Jean Bart (1911) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Courbet (1911) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Paris (1912) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- France (1912) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Provence (1913) [Bretange class] = 23,560 long tons
- Bretange (1913) [Bretange class] = 23,560 long tons
- Lorraine (1913) [Bretange class] = 23,560 long tons
Total: 163,080 long tons
Austria: 180,000 tons
- SMS Virbius Unitis (1911) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Tegetthoff (1912) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Prinz Eugen (1912) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Szent István (1914) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- RN Andrea Doria (1916) [Andrea Doria class] = 22,960 long tons
- RN Caio Duilio (1916) [Andrea Doria class] = 22,960 long tons
Total = 125,920 long tons
Confederacy: 180,000 tons
- N/A
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Battlecruisers
Battlecruisers (defined as a ship with a standard tonnage greater than 27,500 tons, an armament of 11 inches or greater, and a top speed no less than 25 knots) are limited to a standard tonnage of no more than 40,000 tons, with an armament no greater than 16.5 inches, and a top speed no less than 25 knots*. No ships with a tonnage or armament exceeding the above limits are to be constructed, sold, or delivered to a foreign power, and all ships built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.
*Exceptions: Signatories may field no more than two ships with a tonnage no greater than 50,000 tons, an armament no greater than 16.5 inches, and a top speed no less than 25 knots.
Battlecruiser Tonnage Limits:
British Empire (Australasia, Canada, Great Britain): 260,000 long tons
- HMS Inflexible (1907) [Invincible class] = 17,250 long tons
- HMS Indomitable (1907) [Invincible class] = 17,250 long tons
- HMS New Zealand (1912) [Indefatigable class] = 18,500 long tons
- HMAS Australia (1913) [Indefatigable class] = 18,500 long tons
- HMS Lion (1912) [Lion class] = 26,270 long tons
- HMS Princess Royal (1912) [Lion class] = 26,270 long tons
- HMS Tiger (1914) [Tiger class] = 28,500 long tons
- HMS Renown (1916) [Renown class] = 27,200 long tons
- HMS Repulse (1916) [Renown class] = 27,200 long tons
- HMS Hood (1920) [Admiral class] = 42,000 long tons
Total: 248,950 tons
Germany: 260,000 tons
- SMS Von der Tann (1910) [Von der Tann class] = 21,000 long tons
- SMS Moltke (1911) [Moltke class] = 25,000 long tons
- SMS Seydlitz (1913) [Seydlitz class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Derfflinger (1914) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
- SMS Lützow (1915) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
- SMS Hindenburg (1917) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
Total: 166,200 long tons
United States: 180,000 long tons
- N/A
Japan: 180,000 long tons
- IJN KongM (1913) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Hiei (1914) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Kirishima (1915) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Haruna (1915) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
Total: 110,000 long tons
Russia: 140,000 long tons
- Borodino (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Izmail (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Kinburn (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Navarin (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
Total: 130,000 tons
France: 100,000 long tons
- N/A
Austria: 100,000 long tons
- N/A
Confederacy: 100,000 long tons
- N/A
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Large Heavy Cruisers
Large heavy cruisers are ships with a standard tonnage between 10,000 and 27,500 tons and an armament of 11 inches or greater. All large heavy cruisers built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.
Large Heavy Cruiser Tonnage Limits:
British Empire (Australasia, Canada, Great Britain): 120,000 long tons
N/A
Germany: 120,000 long tons
N/A
United States: 90,000 long tons
N/A
Japan: 90,000 long tons
N/A
Russia: 90,000 long tons
N/A
France: 60,000 long tons
N/A
Austria: 60,000 long tons
N/A
Confederacy: 60,000 long tons
N/A
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
....although that tonnage allotment is excessive.
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
The British would also never agree to a treaty that allowed the German Navy equal limits. It would be an overturning of a century and a half of standing British political and naval doctrine.
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Reminds me of WesWorld in many way....although that tonnage allotment is excessive.
Have you given thought to the problem of costs for building and maintaining such a fleet?
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
....although that tonnage allotment is excessive.
Quite. In my personal opinion, I'd suggest merging the battlecruiser and battleship tonnage limits. Though I do like the idea of the large heavy cruiser category.
The British would also never agree to a treaty that allowed the German Navy equal limits. It would be an overturning of a century and a half of standing British political and naval doctrine.
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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
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Originally posted by Brockpaine
The British would also never agree to a treaty that allowed the German Navy equal limits. It would be an overturning of a century and a half of standing British political and naval doctrine.
Unless WWI turned out drastically different. Which doesn't appear to be the case, however.
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Originally posted by HoOmAn
What's the date of signature of your Stockholm treaty?
I am missing SMS Sachsen in the German BB ranking. Why?
I am missing Goeben in the German BC ranking (where she should be if the Germans won), why?
If the war went well for the Germans, why is there no SMS Mackensen?
On the other hand, the British built the Renowns (one wonders if the reasons that sparked them OTL were given in your timeline) but only one Hood. What happened to the other Admirals? What happened to the Is etc.?
In general, comparing British and German ship lists seems to indicate there was no Jutland. Though some British ships are missing like INvincible, Lützow is still there. So how did the naval war turn out in your universe?
What happened to Amagi, Akagi, Kaga and other Japanese capital ship projects in your world?
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Stockholm Naval Treaty
Capital Ships
Capital ships (defined as a ship with a standard tonnage greater than 27,500 long tons and an armament of 11 inches or greater) are limited to a standard tonnage of no more than 40,000 long tons, with an armament no greater than 16.5 inches*. No ships with a tonnage or armament exceeding the above limits are to be constructed, sold, or delivered to a foreign power, and all ships built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.
*Exceptions: Signatories may field the following number of ships with a tonnage no greater than 50,000 long tons and an armament no greater than 18 inches:
British Empire and its dominions: 6 ships
Germany: 6 ships
United States: 4 ships
Japan: 4 ships
Russia: 3 ships
France: 2 ships
Austria: 2 ships
Confederacy: 2 ships
The British Empire and its dominions are included together for purposes of this exception.
Capital Ship Tonnage Limits:
British Empire: 780,000 long tons
- HMS Dreadnought (1906) [Dreadnought class] = 18,120 long tons
- HMS Bellerophon (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS Superb (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS Temeraire (1909) [Bellerophon class] = 18,800 long tons
- HMS St. Vincent (1909) [St. Vincent class] = 19,560 long tons
- HMS Collingwood (1910) [St. Vincent class] = 19,560 long tons
- HMS Neptune (1911) [Neptune class] = 19,680 long tons
- HMS Colossus (1911) [Colossus class] = 20,225 long tons
- HMS Hercules (1911) [Colossus class] = 20,225 long tons
- HMS Orion (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Monarch (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Conqueror (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS Thunderer (1912) [Orion class] = 22,000 long tons
- HMS King George V (1912) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Centurion (1913) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Ajax (1913) [King George V class] = 23,000 long tons
- HMS Iron Duke (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Marlborough (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Benbow (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Emperor of India (1914) [Iron Duke class] = 25,000 long tons
- HMS Canada (1915) [Canada class] = 28,600 long tons
- HMS Eagle (1915) [Canada class] = 28,600 long tons
- HMS Queen Elizabeth (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Warspite (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Barham (1915) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Valiant (1916) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Malaya (1916) [Queen Elizabeth class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Revenge (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Royal Sovereign (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Royal Oak (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Resolution (1916) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- HMS Ramillies (1917) [Revenge class] = 28,000 long tons
- N3 A (1927) [N3 class] = 48,000 long tons
- N3 B (1927) [N3 class] = 48,000 long tons
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- HMS Inflexible (1907) [Invincible class] = 17,250 long tons
- HMS Indomitable (1907) [Invincible class] = 17,250 long tons
- HMS New Zealand (1912) [Indefatigable class] = 18,500 long tons
- HMAS Australia (1913) [Indefatigable class] = 18,500 long tons
- HMS Hood (1920) [Admiral class] = 42,000 long tons
- G3 A (1925) [G3 class] = 48,400 long tons
- G3 B (1925) [G3 class] = 48,400 long tons
- G3 C (1925) [G3 class] = 48,400 long tons
- G3 D (1925) [G3 class] = 48,400 long tons
Total: 1,082,780 long tons
Germany: 780,000 long tons
- SMS Nassau (1909) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Westfalen (1909) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Rheinland (1910) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Posen (1910) [Nassau class] = 20,210 long tons
- SMS Helgoland (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Ostfriesland (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Thüringen (1911) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Oldenburg (1912) [Helgoland class] = 24,300 long tons
- SMS Kaiser (1912) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Friedrich der Grosse (1912) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Kaiserin (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS Prinzregent Luitpold (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS König Albert (1913) [Kaiser class] = 27,000 long tons
- SMS König (1913) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Grosser Kurfürst (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Markgraf (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Kronprinz (1914) [König class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Bayern (1912) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
- SMS Baden (1912) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
- SMS Sachsen (1919) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
- SMS Württemberg (1919) [Bayern class] = 31,700 long tons
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- SMS Mackensen (1920) [Mackensen class] = 31,000 long tons
- SMS Graf Spee (1919) [Mackensen class] = 31,000 long tons
- SMS Prinz Eitel Friedrich (1920) [Mackensen class] = 31,000 long tons
- SMS Fürst Bismarck (1920) [Mackensen class] = 31,000 long tons
- Ersatz Yorck (1919) [Ersatz Yorck class] = 33,500 long tons
Total: 709,740 long tons
United States: 520,000 long tons
- N/A
Japan: 520,000 long tons
- IJN FusM (1914) [FusM class] = 29,330 long tons
- IJN Yamashiro (1914) [FusM class] = 29,330 long tons
- IJN Ise (1916) [Ise class] = 29,990 long tons
- IJN Hykga (191 [Ise class] = 29,990 long tons
- IJN Nagato (1920) [Nagato class] = 32,720 long tons
- IJN Mutsu (1921) [Nagato class] = 32,720 long tons
- IJN Tosa (1923) [Tosa class] = 39,900 long tons
- IJN Kaga (1922) [Tosa class] = 39,900 long tons
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- IJN Amagi (1923) [Amagi class] = 40,670 long tons
- IJN Akagi (1923) [Amagi class] = 40,670 long tons
- IJN Atago (1924) [Amagi class] = 40,670 long tons
- IJN Takao (1924) [Amagi class] = 40,670 long tons
- IJN Kii (192 [Number 13 class] = 47,500 long tons
- IJN Owari (192 [Number 13 class] = 47,500 long tons
Total: 521,560 long tons
Russia: 390,000 long tons
- Gangut (1915) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Petropavlovsk (1915) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Sevastopol (1914) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Poltava (1914) [Gangut class] = 24,400 long tons
- Imperatritsa Mariya (1915) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperatritsa Ekaterina Velikaya (1915) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperator Aleksandr III (1917) [Imperatritsa Mariya class] = 23,410 long tons
- Imperator Nikolai I (1920) [Imperator Nikolai I class] = 31,880 long tons
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- Borodino (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Izmail (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Kinburn (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
- Navarin (1920) [Borodino class] = 32,500 long tons
Total: 329,170 tons
France: 260,000 long tons
- Jean Bart (1911) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Courbet (1911) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Paris (1912) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- France (1912) [Courbet class] = 23,100 long tons
- Provence (1913) [Bretagne class] = 23,560 long tons
- Bretagne (1913) [Bretagne class] = 23,560 long tons
- Lorraine (1913) [Bretagne class] = 23,560 long tons
- Normandie (1922) [Normandie class] = 25,320 long tons
- Flandre (1922) [Normandie class] = 25,320 long tons
- Gascogne (1922) [Normandie class] = 25,320 long tons
- Languedoc (1922) [Normandie class] = 25,320 long tons
Total: 264,360 long tons
Austria: 260,000 long tons
- SMS Virbius Unitis (1911) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Tegetthoff (1912) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Prinz Eugen (1912) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- SMS Szent István (1914) [Tegetthoff class] = 20,000 long tons
- RN Andrea Doria (1916) [Andrea Doria class] = 22,960 long tons
- RN Caio Duilio (1916) [Andrea Doria class] = 22,960 long tons
Total = 125,920 long tons
Confederacy: 260,000 long tons
- N/A
British Dominions: 180,000 long tons
N/A
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Large Heavy Cruisers
Large heavy cruisers are ships with a standard tonnage between 10,000 and 27,500 long tons, an armament of 8 inches or greater, and a speed of 25 knots or greater. All large heavy cruisers built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.
Large Heavy Cruiser Tonnage Limits:
British Empire (Australasia, Canada, Great Britain): 180,000 long tons
- HMS Lion (1912) [Lion class] = 26,270 long tons
- HMS Princess Royal (1912) [Lion class] = 26,270 long tons
- HMS Tiger (1914) [Tiger class] = 28,500 long tons
- HMS Renown (1916) [Renown class] = 27,200 long tons
- HMS Repulse (1916) [Renown class] = 27,200 long tons
- HMS Courageous (1916) [Courageous class] = 19,180 long tons
- HMS Glorious (1916) [Courageous class] = 19,180 long tons
Total: 173,800 long tons
Germany: 180,000 long tons
- SMS Von der Tann (1910) [Von der Tann class] = 21,000 long tons
- SMS Moltke (1911) [Moltke class] = 25,000 long tons
- SMS Seydlitz (1913) [Seydlitz class] = 28,100 long tons
- SMS Derfflinger (1914) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
- SMS Lützow (1915) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
- SMS Hindenburg (1917) [Derfflinger class] = 30,700 long tons
Total: 166,200 long tons
United States: 120,000 long tons
N/A
Japan: 120,000 long tons
- IJN KongM (1913) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Hiei (1914) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Kirishima (1915) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
- IJN Haruna (1915) [KongM class] = 27,500 long tons
Total: 110,000 long tons
Russia: 90,000 long tons
N/A
France: 60,000 long tons
N/A
Austria: 60,000 long tons
N/A
Confederacy: 60,000 long tons
N/A
British Dominions: 60,000 long tons
N/A
Quoted
Originally posted by ALVAMA
Where is the Dutch ?!?!
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AH Maximum Battleship, Austria-Hungary Battleship laid down 1922
Displacement:
47,365 t light; 50,292 t standard; 52,442 t normal; 54,162 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
787.40 ft / 787.40 ft x 118.11 ft x 31.58 ft (normal load)
240.00 m / 240.00 m x 36.00 m x 9.63 m
Armament:
12 - 18.11" / 460 mm guns (4x3 guns), 3,306.93lbs / 1,500.00kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 41,890 lbs / 19,001 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 518.37 ft / 158.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 518.37 ft / 158.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 518.37 ft / 158.00 m 33.22 ft / 10.13 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 8.86" / 225 mm 10.8" / 275 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 65,250 shp / 48,677 Kw = 23.00 kts
Range 1,800nm at 23.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,870 tons
Complement:
1,732 - 2,252
Cost:
£16.221 million / $64.883 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4,738 tons, 9.0 %
Armour: 17,000 tons, 32.4 %
- Belts: 6,191 tons, 11.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,003 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 4,319 tons, 8.2 %
- Armour Deck: 5,071 tons, 9.7 %
- Conning Tower: 416 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,213 tons, 4.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 23,413 tons, 44.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,077 tons, 9.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
55,389 lbs / 25,124 Kg = 18.6 x 18.1 " / 460 mm shells or 8.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 7.6 ft / 2.3 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.625
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Stern: 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Average freeboard: 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.2 %
Waterplane Area: 69,620 Square feet or 6,468 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 264 lbs/sq ft or 1,290 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.06
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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Österreichv2, Austria-Hungary Battleship laid down 1922
Displacement:
37,992 t light; 40,127 t standard; 42,220 t normal; 43,895 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721.78 ft / 721.78 ft x 104.99 ft x 31.20 ft (normal load)
220.00 m / 220.00 m x 32.00 m x 9.51 m
Armament:
12 - 16.54" / 420 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,204.62lbs / 1,000.00kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 28,662 lbs / 13,001 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 33.14 ft / 10.10 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 8.86" / 225 mm 10.8" / 275 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 67,891 shp / 50,647 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 1,800nm at 24.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,769 tons
Complement:
1,472 - 1,914
Cost:
£12.923 million / $51.691 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,674 tons, 8.7 %
Armour: 15,020 tons, 35.6 %
- Belts: 5,815 tons, 13.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 950 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 3,763 tons, 8.9 %
- Armour Deck: 4,132 tons, 9.8 %
- Conning Tower: 360 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,303 tons, 5.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,995 tons, 40.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,229 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,413 lbs / 19,238 Kg = 18.8 x 16.5 " / 420 mm shells or 6.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.625
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Stern: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Average freeboard: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.8 %
Waterplane Area: 56,728 Square feet or 5,270 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 229 lbs/sq ft or 1,116 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.05
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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Kaiser Franz Josef Iv2, Austria-Hungary Battlecruiser laid down 1922
Displacement:
37,518 t light; 39,265 t standard; 42,384 t normal; 44,880 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
820.21 ft / 820.21 ft x 104.99 ft x 30.36 ft (normal load)
250.00 m / 250.00 m x 32.00 m x 9.25 m
Armament:
8 - 16.54" / 420 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2,204.62lbs / 1,000.00kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 19,844 lbs / 9,001 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.8" / 325 mm 531.50 ft / 162.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 531.50 ft / 162.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 531.50 ft / 162.00 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.8" / 375 mm 8.86" / 225 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 131,069 shp / 97,777 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 1,800nm at 30.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,615 tons
Complement:
1,476 - 1,920
Cost:
£11.106 million / $44.426 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,544 tons, 6.0 %
Armour: 13,438 tons, 31.7 %
- Belts: 5,873 tons, 13.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 991 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 3,484 tons, 8.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,781 tons, 6.6 %
- Conning Tower: 309 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 4,446 tons, 10.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,091 tons, 40.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,866 tons, 11.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
50,701 lbs / 22,998 Kg = 22.4 x 16.5 " / 420 mm shells or 7.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 7.0 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 49 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.99
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.568
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.93 ft / 7.60 m (19.03 ft / 5.80 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Stern: 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Average freeboard: 20.58 ft / 6.27 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.2 %
Waterplane Area: 63,626 Square feet or 5,911 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 203 lbs/sq ft or 991 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 0.99
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
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Böhmenv2, Austria-Hungary Large Heavy Cruiser laid down 1922
Displacement:
26,463 t light; 27,681 t standard; 30,253 t normal; 32,311 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721.78 ft / 721.78 ft x 91.86 ft x 29.04 ft (normal load)
220.00 m / 220.00 m x 28.00 m x 8.85 m
Armament:
8 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (3 mounts), 1,399.94lbs / 635.00kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
18 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 100.31lbs / 45.50kg shells, 1922 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 13,406 lbs / 6,081 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.84" / 250 mm 493.77 ft / 150.50 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 493.77 ft / 150.50 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 493.77 ft / 150.50 m 30.68 ft / 9.35 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 10.8" / 275 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 10.83" / 275 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 109,147 shp / 81,423 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 1,800nm at 30.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,630 tons
Complement:
1,146 - 1,491
Cost:
£7.585 million / $30.342 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,591 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 9,319 tons, 30.8 %
- Belts: 4,044 tons, 13.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 883 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 2,412 tons, 8.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,754 tons, 5.8 %
- Conning Tower: 226 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,702 tons, 12.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,850 tons, 39.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,790 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
36,529 lbs / 16,569 Kg = 27.9 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.44 ft / 7.45 m (18.54 ft / 5.65 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 18.54 ft / 5.65 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.54 ft / 5.65 m
- Stern: 18.54 ft / 5.65 m
- Average freeboard: 20.12 ft / 6.13 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.4 %
Waterplane Area: 48,176 Square feet or 4,476 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 868 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.21
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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