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Originally posted by Vukovlad
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New B-14 version



I expect Persia will recive a big rebate on the bomber :D

Both versions are great. The lower one will be the B-14A. The upper one, we´ll see.

Is there any chance you could do a version with the stern turret, ball turret and side sindow of the upper version using the lower drawing otherwise?

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Originally posted by howard

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Why do you think so?

D.R.A.G.

H.

That hardly explains anything, does it?

The B-17


New B-14

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
New B-14

@ Vukoflad: I probably made not clear that I meant the smaller, round window with gun.... :o/ Sorry, my fault. May I ask for another small modification? :oP

The B-14 has 4x 960hp while the B-17 has 4x 1200hp. However, she also carriers at least two time the B-14s bombload, has a higher speed, more equipement and a larger crew. Doesn´t explain to me why the stats for the WW B-14 are unrealistic....

Let´s check: Her stats are pretty much those of the historical plane. Only bombload is increased a bit but when comparing the WW B-14 to historical 4-engine-bombers it doesn´t seem to be too much.

Ju 89 V1/V2
Länge: 26,50 m
Spannweite: 35,27 m
Höhe: 7,61 m
Besatzung: 9
Motor: Jumo 211A/DB 600A
Leistung: 4x 1000/1100 PS (735kW/750kW - some sources like wiki rate the DB 600A even at 810kW) at sea level
Vmax: 386 km/h
Reichweite: 2980 km
Gipfelhöhe: 7000 m
Bewaffnung: 2 x MG/FF
2 x MG 15
1600 kg Bombenlast


The Lancaster, Halifax, Stirling or B-17 all had engines in the 1200-1300hp range. They carried up to 3 times as much bombload at higher speeds and heavier self-defence armament for only 25% more power. Example:

Avro Lancaster Mk. I
Kenngröße Daten
Länge 21,18 m
Höhe 5,97 m
Flügelspannweite 31,09 m
Tragflügelfläche 120,80 m²
Leergewicht 16.705 kg
Startgewicht 30.800 kg
Startgewicht (max) 31.750 kg
Antrieb Vier Rolls-Royce Merlin XX mit je 1280 PS
Höchstgeschwindigkeit 448 km/h in 5600 m Höhe
Marschgeschwindigkeit 338 km/h
Steigleistung 6095 m in 41 min mit Bombenhöchstladung
Maximale Reichweite 2675 km mit 6350 kg Bomben
Dienstgipfelhöhe 7467 m
Besatzung sieben Mann
Bewaffnung Acht Browning 0303-in-(7,7 mm)-MGs,
bis zu 6350 kg Bomben

The stats also compare well to the FW200 or Ju90 even thought those were not designed as bombers. However, the Ju90 for example was designed for 40 passengers including cargo and achieved 350+km/h and a range of 2100km with four 830hp engines (BMW 132H).

So in fact I think the Germans were on the lower end with 1600kg bombload stated für the historical Ju89 - probably a matter of space in her bomb bays as she was a prototype plane anyway.

I also don´t see why drag should be a problem regarding the Ju89 but have less impact on other design of similar layout - like the British bombers for example.

Btw its Vukovlad or Anton if you prefer it

Yeah, that´s it. Now I´ve drawings of the current B-14A and B-14C! Thanks a lot! :o) And sorry because of misspelling your name.

The one below I may also use later...but currently it´s not necessary.

Out of curiosity what is the flag and airmarking of SAE?

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Originally posted by howard
The plane is not going to be that fast with the loads you claim for it now, unless you get into the 1000-1050 HP range, PERIOD.

H.

I see - even though I left out the B-24 in my listing above as I knew she had a special wing and was not in the same class as a Stirling, B-17 or other earlier bomver.

So according to your post it´s a good thing to have 4x 960hp engines on the B-14A and even more powerful on the B-14C (4x 1180hp). At least she is a swept wing design - that makes her look fast! ;o)

Does it help to overcome the problems with relatively low power compared to foreign designs?

I thought the Germans used that wing box design to free the center fuselage for a bomb bay......

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Out of curiosity what is the flag and airmarking of SAE?

I have no idea what they are in WesWorld. :o/ How about the original SOuth African markings?

What would the B-14s look like in color (bright lower fuselage, green/brown upper side probably)?

I found this ....



... it's the present roundel for the South African Airforce.

Well, ít looks good but has little to do with the SAE, methinks. :o/

Given the three major parts of the Empire I would expect a three colored roundel with brown for Cameroon, Orange for South Africa and Green for Grand Uruguay.

Another idea is to work from the awards I´ve described in my encyclopedia section here . The Leopard and the Protea play an important role here so it might be an idea to use a roundel in those three colors and add a leopards head in its middle..... If that´s not too much. Or use that blue roundel above but replace the eagle (?) with a leopard...

What do you think?

A leopard dosn't seem much like an airforce symbol.

True - but a kangoroo does? ;o)

It´s more a matter of using something traditional and if it´s already used for those medals it _could_ be an idea to use it again....

If there are better proposals - you´re welcome!