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March 30th 1936 Bharat's Foreign office sends the following message:

"We ask both our good friends the Persian nation and their Azeri neighbors to show some restrain for the sake of peace on the region. We also applaud the Russian Republic's attempt to mediate this situation and we ask both parties to accept the Russians mediation, or any nation considered amicable to both nations, in this dispute before it gets out of hand."

February 3rd 1935- Excerpts from The Statesmen Editor's page:

"Siam has always being a maverick in the region, them deciding to throw their lot with the Danes and Iberians instead that with their Asian neighbors another example of their independent spirit..."

"...I for one hope that this new alliance will turn into a commercial partner of our nation and other members of Satsuma..."

March 30th 1935- Excerpts of the monthly BNS staff meetings

"...both the I-30 and I-31 designs will be laid down in 1937... The projected four submarines will complete our allowed quota of fifteen submarines per our agreements..."

"...funds have being finally allocated for the construction of one and possibly two Satyakis in 1937 with more projected for the future... resources will be limited with the Delhis and the Satyakis both being build during the same time period... some projects could fall behind projected schedules..."

"...the blueprints of the German training carrier have being acquired but doubts still exists that copies could be built... lack of funds could force us to search for other options of increasing convoy protection..."

Germany continues to shake it's head on India's insistence on building predreadnought white elephants (the Satyakis) that appear to be a terrible use of scarce resources.

Australia is so glad that India is wasting a year's worth of resources on worthless ships.

Great Britian echos the Austrailan viewpoint...

Cant find the SIM of that ship.., what is so wrong with it?

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Cant find the SIM of that ship.., what is so wrong with it?

India has a treaty limitation which prevents them from building a battleship of over 20,000 tons. The Satyakis are designed to put 15" guns into service, yet be under that tonnage limit, and still have good armor. As a result the Satyaki has 4x15". In the opinion of most of us, the Satyaki is a step backwards for India, though in fairness, it does accomplish their goal of getting 15" guns afloat before 1940.

Oh, and here's the official thread for the Satyaki.

Here's the thread w/ the ship in it.

Indian Concepts

Here is the final two versions:

Satyaki, India CDBB laid down 1938

Displacement:
19,010 t light; 19,998 t standard; 21,722 t normal; 23,101 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
700.41 ft / 682.41 ft x 75.46 ft x 29.53 ft (normal load)
213.48 m / 208.00 m x 23.00 m x 9.00 m

Armament:
4 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
24 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (4 mounts), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised guns
Weight of broadside 8,031 lbs / 3,643 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 81% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 5.51" / 140 mm 2.36" / 60 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 67,027 shp / 50,002 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,103 tons

Complement:
894 - 1,163

Cost:
£9.951 million / $39.805 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,004 tons, 4.6%
Armour: 7,449 tons, 34.3%
- Belts: 2,243 tons, 10.3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 1,707 tons, 7.9%
- Armour Deck: 3,498 tons, 16.1%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 1,835 tons, 8.4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,623 tons, 39.7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,711 tons, 12.5%
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33,526 lbs / 15,207 Kg = 20.0 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.04 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.17 ft / 9.50 m
- Forecastle (35%): 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Mid (50%): 23.62 ft / 7.20 m (17.06 ft / 5.20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Stern: 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Average freeboard: 21.40 ft / 6.52 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.1%
Waterplane Area: 34,310 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 156 lbs/sq ft or 763 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.60
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

or

Satyaki, India CDBB laid down 1938

Displacement:
19,010 t light; 19,998 t standard; 21,722 t normal; 23,101 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
698.33 ft / 682.41 ft x 75.46 ft x 29.53 ft (normal load)
212.85 m / 208.00 m x 23.00 m x 9.00 m

Armament:
4 - 14.96" / 380 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,674.25lbs / 759.43kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
24 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (4 mounts), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised guns
Weight of broadside 8,031 lbs / 3,643 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 387.14 ft / 118.00 m 10.43 ft / 3.18 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 87% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 387.14 ft / 118.00 m 25.98 ft / 7.92 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 5.51" / 140 mm 2.36" / 60 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 67,027 shp / 50,002 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,103 tons

Complement:
894 - 1,163

Cost:
£9.951 million / $39.805 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,004 tons, 4.6%
Armour: 7,960 tons, 36.6%
- Belts: 2,324 tons, 10.7%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 586 tons, 2.7%
- Armament: 1,505 tons, 6.9%
- Armour Deck: 3,498 tons, 16.1%
- Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0.2%
Machinery: 1,835 tons, 8.4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,111 tons, 37.3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,711 tons, 12.5%
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
30,625 lbs / 13,891 Kg = 18.3 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.04 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.56 ft / 8.40 m
- Forecastle (35%): 20.01 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50%): 20.01 ft / 6.10 m (13.45 ft / 4.10 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Stern: 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Average freeboard: 17.79 ft / 5.42 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.7%
Waterplane Area: 34,310 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 748 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Again I may not know much about Ship design so I have to ask why have 150 & 125mm guns? Why not a unified 125mm secondary armament?

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Again I may not know much about Ship design so I have to ask why have 150 & 125mm guns? Why not a unified 125mm secondary armament?

Actually there was some criticism about that when the design was first revealed...

I somehow missed an entire thread posted after becoming a player ....

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
I somehow missed an entire thread posted after becoming a player ....

Heh. That happens to me on another forum where I'm admin.

Atlantis is also amused by the Indians seemingly loosing their sences and building a ship so large, with so few main guns and a secondary battery that doesn't know what role its going to perform.

Then again if I went the paranoid route I'd suspect that the addition of 8x5.9" guns is to reserve tonnage for a post limitations treaty refit that see's them swaped for another 15" turret, but again that would also fall into the "expensive folly" catigory too.

I can see why Australia would be giggling up a storm, it seems their treaty along with the one India signed with Britain has really handcuffed them.

February 18th 1936- Excerpts of Field Marshall Bahadur's report to the War Ministry

"...major units will be departing Asir well before the expected handover to Hedjaz in October...the only Army presence is expected to be the security detachment to the air base but advisor groups to the Hedjaz's armed forces shouldn't be affected by the end of the mandate..."

"...the 10th Field Force will be redeployed to the border with Afghanistan after their arrival from Asir due to increased bandit activity.. seems some tribes are taking advantage of the transitional period in Pakistan to cause trouble..."

"...the exodus of trained officers from the former Pakistani Army is a cause of concern...ways need to be found to bring into the fold the members of the former Pakistani Army..."

"...the Persian Defense Force continue to increase in size and possibly four regimental size units could be in service by the end of the year...

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
I somehow missed an entire thread posted after becoming a player ....

Happens to me often enough. Get busy and just check in to check for PMs. Wind up missing posts, which has led to some surprises "Whaaa... I don't remember that...."

I did see the CDBB thread, but I generally try to avoid posting on SATSUMA concepts, limiting myself to technical aspects. I do understand the idea of designs being throttled by tonnage limitations, but the compromise vessel being viewed as necessary to fill a role(s) despite not being quite what is desired.

I find it an interesting solution to a problem Bahrat perceives, much like my Ijeelsijk class is a solution to problems I perceive but lack the time/resources/infrastructure to properly address.

Excerpts of the monthly BNS meeting April 1936

"...reports state what it seems an increase in the number of ships being deployed by Great Britain in the region for the near future...Australia also seems to be increasing the number of their capital ships...future plans could be curtailed by this moves...at least both nations seem to be abiding to the letter of the treaty..."

"...the Chinese Indian Ocean Squadron is finally operational...that and the negotiated agreement to lease space in the Diego Garcia facility to both China and Japan could help to upset somewhat the increase of the United Kingdom units in the region..."

"...the union between Chosen and Japan in everything but name could make Satsuma even stronger on the long run...still doubts exist of what changes could bring the new Empress to both nations naval components missions..."

April 20th 1936- The BNS announced today thru a short communique that after the two Persian amphibious ships currently being constructed in China are completed the BNS and the Imperial Persian Fleet have agreed to pool their resources in the region into a combined amphibious command.

Due the bulk of the forces being from Bharat the command will be under the leadership of the current commander but his XO will be a Persian officer. The move has being hailed as, and quote the note, "further step into increased cooperation between Bharat and Persia."