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Quoted from "Jefgte"

Posted by Bruce in a MP to me 20th feb 2014

"Germany could provide Peru with 100 examples of the Panzer IIIJ (long 5cm gun) similar to the ones already in Peruvian service;..."



Bruce could confirm.

Yes - this is true - presuming that there are Panzer IIIJs in Peruvian service; we have presumed so, but there appears to be no hard evidence. Still, they could be supplied - if ordered.

As the initial deal happened before my time as Germany, I have presumed that at least some of the putative order for Panzer IIIJs was fulfilled. I know nothing that says it was not. If there is agreement among the parties that it was, that is fine with me, but it would have impact on future sales.

"...but it would have impact on future sales"


I understand Bruce.
Finaly, Pz III (50mm gun) is not a good news. I prefer Pz IV (75mm gun)


I prefer Stug III , not Pz III...


Jef

Quoted from "Jefgte"

4 Armoured Brigade
1 Puira - 1 Lima - 2 Moquegua

How are you organizing your armoured brigades? Chilean military intelligence and planning is keen to know.

A question here, it s possible to make an ARV from the SD 251?
much like this:

Certainly not with a lightweight hydraulic crane of a type that would not become available for some years. Present technology would only allow the larger German semi-tracks (SdKfz9 etc) to carry a crane effectively.

thanks for the info

About the organisation of the Brigades, Brock, I did'nt made a revolution.
The last 1935-37 architecture will be conserved.
I just update the tanks.
South Brigade will be with the best material...of course.
I "ll made too, Jungle & Mountains brigades with horses.

Jef

Quoted from "Jefgte"

About the organisation of the Brigades, Brock, I did'nt made a revolution.
The last 1935-37 architecture will be conserved.
I just update the tanks.

The last '1935-37 architecture' didn't have any armoured brigades, though. The closest approximate unit is the "Mobile Regiment" posted above. Are you re-designating the 'Mobile Regiment' as an 'Armoured Brigade' and then making four of them?

I have not made the choices, actual architecture of the 4 Armored Brigade is not optimum...

Jef

Quoted from "Jefgte"

I have not made the choices, actual architecture of the 4 Armored Brigade is not optimum...

Jef

I'm not sure you understand my question.

You keep talking about there being an armoured brigade from before your time playing Peru. I'm telling you that I can find no evidence of there being an armoured brigade, and I'm asking if there's something you see that I'm missing.

Is the "Mobile Regiment" what you're referring to when you say "Armoured Brigade"?

Yes, you'r right
1935, Mobile Regiment => 1944, Armored Brigade

Okay, thank you. :-)

Infos from the Chilean Military Intelligence Service:


"
Peruvian organise 2 light Armored Brigades & 2 Heavy Armored Brigades.
Heavy Armored Brigades use the most power & recent materiels & are placed in the south...
"

Work in progress...


Light Armored Brigade
2 Tank Battalions (10 Panzers III J - 23 men, 2 officers)
3 Tank Battalions (15 Vickers B - 42 men, 3 officers)
2 Tank Battalions (8 Vickers A - 22 men, 2 officers)
1 Anti Tank Compagny (6 AT47 gun on truck - 45 men, 1 officer, 1 NCO)
1 MG Carrier Compagny ( 18 Carden Loyds MK VI tankette - 35 men, 5 officers, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO)1 Field Artillery Battalion (18 77mm howitzers, 20 trucks - 204 men, 8 officers)
Observer Section (9 Motorcycles - 18 men)
Command (5 trucks - 1 CO, 1 XO, 2 Staff, 30 men)
2 Light AA Section (6 20mm Flak 30 guns on 6 SdKf251/21-AA - 54 men, 3 officers)
2 Light AA Section (6 20mm Flak 30 guns on 6 trucks - 54 men, 3 officers)
Command (2 trucks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 6 men)
1 Support Battalion (18 13.2 Breda, 54 Zb-26 LMG, 12 81mm mortars, 9 50mm mortars, 10 SdKf251/1, 48 trucks, 9 motorcycles, 146 motorcycles with sidecars - 783 men, 21 officers)
Command (3 trucks - 1 CO, 1 XO, 2 staff, 20 men)
1 Infantry Battalion (18 Zb-26 LMG, 8MMG, 6 50mm mortars, 4 81mm mortars, 2 SdKf251/21-AA - 615 men, 19 officers, )
1 Headquarters Company (3 SdKfz251/1, 10 Motorcycles - 48men, 6 officers, )

Total: 33 tanks, 2000 men, 73 officers.

Quoted from "Jefgte"

Work in progress...


Light Armored Brigade
2 Tank Battalions (10 Panzers III J - 23 men, 2 officers)
3 Tank Battalions (15 Vickers B - 42 men, 3 officers)
2 Tank Battalions (8 Vickers A - 22 men, 2 officers)
1 Anti Tank Compagny (6 AT47 gun on truck - 45 men, 1 officer, 1 NCO)
1 MG Carrier Compagny ( 18 Carden Loyds MK VI tankette - 35 men, 5 officers, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO)1 Field Artillery Battalion (18 77mm howitzers, 20 trucks - 204 men, 8 officers)
Observer Section (9 Motorcycles - 18 men)
Command (5 trucks - 1 CO, 1 XO, 2 Staff, 30 men)
2 Light AA Section (6 20mm Flak 30 guns on 6 SdKf251/21-AA - 54 men, 3 officers)
2 Light AA Section (6 20mm Flak 30 guns on 6 trucks - 54 men, 3 officers)
Command (2 trucks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 6 men)
1 Support Battalion (18 13.2 Breda, 54 Zb-26 LMG, 12 81mm mortars, 9 50mm mortars, 10 SdKf251/1, 48 trucks, 9 motorcycles, 146 motorcycles with sidecars - 783 men, 21 officers)
Command (3 trucks - 1 CO, 1 XO, 2 staff, 20 men)
1 Infantry Battalion (18 Zb-26 LMG, 8MMG, 6 50mm mortars, 4 81mm mortars, 2 SdKf251/21-AA - 615 men, 19 officers, )
1 Headquarters Company (3 SdKfz251/1, 10 Motorcycles - 48men, 6 officers, )

Total: 33 tanks, 2000 men, 73 officers.

If I remember well the old Mobile Regiments have more tanks than that in fact old mobile regiment have more manpower and you should put 3 tank battalions max about the general biuld I think it is ok

2 Light Armored Brigades
1st Brigade => Puira
10 Panzer III+ 15 Vickers B+8 Vickers A+8 SdKf251/21-AA
2nd Brigade => Lima
10 Panzer III+ 15 Vickers B+8 Vickers A+8 SdKf251/21-AA

2 Heavy Armored Brigades
3rd Brigade => Moquegua
30 Panzer III+ 25 LT33+12 Vickers A+16 SdKf251/21-AA
4th Brigade => Moquegua
30 Panzer III+ 25 LT33+12 Vickers A+16 SdKf251/21-AA

100 Panzer III J (1x50)
60 Tank LT33 (1x37)
37 Tank Vickers 6T type B (1x37)
51 Tank Vickers 6T type A (2x13.2)
60 SdKf251/1 troop transport
60 SdKf251/21-AA-(2x13.2Breda)
80 Carden Loyd Mk VI tankette
1.5T 1x7.62mm MG (1000)
200 trucks in different configurations
80 trucks « Red Cross » (ICRC)


Some Tanks or are not affected in Battalions. Pieces from them are used for Tanks Battalions maintenance.

Quoted from "Jefgte"

2 Light Armored Brigades
1st Brigade => Puira
10 Panzer III+ 15 Vickers B+8 Vickers A+8 SdKf251/21-AA
2nd Brigade => Lima
10 Panzer III+ 15 Vickers B+8 Vickers A+8 SdKf251/21-AA

2 Heavy Armored Brigades
3rd Brigade => Moquegua
30 Panzer III+ 25 LT33+12 Vickers A+16 SdKf251/21-AA
4th Brigade => Moquegua
30 Panzer III+ 25 LT33+12 Vickers A+16 SdKf251/21-AA

100 Panzer III J (1x50)
60 Tank LT33 (1x37)
37 Tank Vickers 6T type B (1x37)
51 Tank Vickers 6T type A (2x13.2)
60 SdKf251/1 troop transport
60 SdKf251/21-AA-(2x13.2Breda)
80 Carden Loyd Mk VI tankette
1.5T 1x7.62mm MG (1000)
200 trucks in different configurations
80 trucks « Red Cross » (ICRC)


Some Tanks or are not affected in Battalions. Pieces from them are used for Tanks Battalions maintenance.

Like I said there is a lack of manpower OTL Tank battalions have 50ish tanks although Pery might lack the money to form them completely

At risk of helping my regional rival... Doorcf's comment is accurate, if somewhat confusingly stated. The unit you appear to be describing in your writeup is in fact the same size as a tank platoon - two organizational levels down from a battalion.

I need to ask

is the Artillery made up by WWI guns? or are more modern guns?

Peru use factories ratio with Chile (9 to 4) so, 381 for Chile & 172 tanks for Peru.
Actualy 160 tanks with guns.