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Boys, keep the ball down !!!

We all have to wait untill Hood will make the statement for GB. Every other statement is pure speculation.

There has been much vocal debated split between the pro-Asia and pro-Europe faction. Surprise surprise!

Now is time to make the Crown's position clear (ShinRa also speaks for the Crown as being a memeber of the glorious Commonwealth)

It is most unfortunate that Persia chose to unilaterally abrogate the Karachi Treaty. Techinically we see the whole Treaty as null and void and therefore all occupation of former Pakistan has to be reconsidered. That is not to say next morning the Union Jack reappears and the map turns back to pink. I see it as the time for a new permanent settlement.

The Crown did it's dutiful part to remove itself from Pakistan by giving up control and holding it in trust to both Bharat and Persia to excercise just government and fair control without European interference. Persia's decision to cancel those agreements means a de-facto reversion of Pakistan to British territory. This is entirely Persia's fault, not ours. India, to some extent is trapped by its erstwhile ally but also it shows a remarkable lack of control from the Bharat puppet masters how publically claim Persia is all their's and their private gas station in the desert.
It also shows a lamentable lack of control within Satsuma. Recent events and talks prove that Satsuma is a hollow shell. Each member bumbles around following it's own policies at every other members expense while no-one is accountable at all. Satsuma is rotten to the core and no wonder its structure falls apart so easily when proper, clear-sighted offers are presented.
Japan laments the actions of China and Persia but cannot act, it is powerless to control it's members who may drag it into war. No wonder India left. Matters in NATO are handled much more firmly and I feel in FAR and AEGIS also.

The British Foreign Office is getting a lot of complaints and petitions from Pro-Pakistani groups and Pakstani exiles, led by Mr Mohammed Ali Jinnah pointing out that the obvious fact that with Persia nullifying the Karachi agreement, Pakistan would legally revert to it's former status (as British territory). It now wants an independant Muslim state of Pakistan comprising the former Colonies. How long can we withstand this pressure.

Preparing Pakistan for it's proper independance is the next option for the Crown. The Crown does not want to rule Pakistan as a Colony any longer. It would be untenable and would harm relations with India. Dominion status could be seen as a step towards independance but that would not sit well with the Persian or Indian governments and in any case political development in Pakistan is becoming ripe for independence.
There are two choices regarding Pakistan. First, abandon Pakistan and be seen as having made a grevious diplomatic error in trusting India and Persia and seriously harm the security of the Empire, or, secondly, in some way reassert British right of determination in that region due to Persia's abrogation of the Karachi agreements. We have chosen the second for the sole purpose of giving Mr. Jinnah his Muslim republic with peripherary obligations to the Commonwealth.

While Mr Jinnah has no offical links with our goverment his pressure is mounting, he may organise high-profile campaigns and may even travel to former Pakistan to whip up support there among the masses. At the least he wants LoN involvement.

While the League could investigate and vote on the legality of who owns Pakistan once the Treaty is broken, and what to do next in Pakistan to force a decision on its future it is clear the League is not binding. Already the Indians threatened to leave if the decision was against them.

At the moment India (who also feels aggrieved) is appealing to Persia to re-instate the Treaty in full and thus solve the diplomatic problem and of course the Treaty must be re-written to prevent any future infringements.

The choices are simple;
1) Persia can renew the Treaty and all claims will be dropped
2) Return the land to Britain for a probationary period so independance can be granted
3) Persia and India grant independence themselves or at least look into a dual-nation (Bactria and Pakistan)
4) Britain must apply pressure to force Persia to come to terms and disscus matters with Britain and India.

As for Persian Special Interests, they don't deserve them until they can make proper, lasting agreements and until they can be trusted.

Britain doesn't have to invade to make her presence felt, a nation that rules such a large Empire should not be taken lightly. If the Asian's can't rule their own territories and can't be trusted with other people's property and insist on dominating others and spreading colonial rule under fictitious titles then the Europeans will have to remain in their Empires to continue enlightened and fair government.

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Each member bumbles around following it's own policies at every other members expense while no-one is accountable at all.

... so what did Japan do at the expense of the other SATSUMA members?

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Satsuma is rotten to the core and no wonder its structure falls apart so easily when proper, clear-sighted offers are presented.

There is of course an obvious side effect to it. When SATSUMA farts the smell with be so vile and disgusting that no mortal can stand it, even with protective masks on. With this foul smell, SAER will be destroyed.

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Japan laments the actions of China and Persia but cannot act, it is powerless to control it's members who may drag it into war.

Powerless to control or unwilling to control or perhaps being the one controlled by others thus unable to control?

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The British Foreign Office is getting a lot of complaints and petitions from Pro-Pakistani groups and Pakstani exiles, led by Mr Mohammed Ali Jinnah pointing out that the obvious fact that with Persia nullifying the Karachi agreement, Pakistan would legally revert to it's former status (as British territory).

Ending an agreement (what Persia did) and nullifying an agreement are two different things... and this 'obvious fact' is anything but obvious. Just look at the text.

*Sends Mr Mohammed Ali Jinnah on holiday to Ioutou*

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
... so what did Japan do at the expense of the other SATSUMA members?

You let Tim Curry use your time machine once too often, and now there's a rampaging British Empire throwing it's weight around.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
There is of course an obvious side effect to it. When SATSUMA farts the smell with be so vile and disgusting that no mortal can stand it, even with protective masks on. With this foul smell, SAER will be destroyed.

Sounds like a perfect time to activate Canada's advanced Tower Fan Deflection grid.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Powerless to control or unwilling to control or perhaps being the one controlled by others thus unable to control?

Or maybe just unwilling to control it's inability to be anything but powerless?

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Ending an agreement (what Persia did) and nullifying an agreement are two different things... and this 'obvious fact' is anything but obvious. Just look at the text.

Japan is welcome to it's opinion, but the Crown doesn't share it. (:

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*Sends Mr Mohammed Ali Jinnah on holiday to Ioutou*

*Mr. Jinnah returns with awesome radioactive guerilla skiLLz*

We have now two different opinions. On one side there is GB, who means the agreement is nullified, if Persia left it. On the other side, there is Persia, who has said if i end the agreement, the status quo has to be in place, because it was an agreement without conditions. So the whole case is a case for the LoN !

... a detailed statement will follow ...


BTW it was my 900th post

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So the whole case is a case for the LoN !

A minor stumbling block is the threat we've received that certain parties will just withdraw from the League should any decision be reached that they dislike.

Yep, there is little point for any minor power to be a part of LoN

September 29th 1937- Short Note by Bharat's Foreign Office

"Bharat's resent the British government's indiscretions in regard to what was considered a off the record statement. Bharat considers the current situation as a very delicate one and further discussions are needed. As such we invite a representative of the British government to visit Bharat as soon as possible to find a solution."

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Originally posted by parador
We have now two different opinions. On one side there is GB, who means the agreement is nullified, if Persia left it. On the other side, there is Persia, who has said if i end the agreement, the status quo has to be in place, because it was an agreement without conditions. So the whole case is a case for the LoN !

... a detailed statement will follow ...

OOC: As pleased as I would be to see this head to the LoN, I doubt anything will be achieved really, except for the rest of the world saying meh, looks like Persia buggered up, sucks to be them.

So far Persia's supporters number just 2, China and Japan. Meanwhile GB seems to have the support of not only its commonwealth allies but others who know full well that if such theivry is rewarded they could be next. I very much doubt that SATSUMA can make any more diplomatic efforts to remove Europeans from Asia as it is now clear they cannot be trusted.

Even if Persia backs down and proceeds with the Karachi agreement, the damage has already been done to their credibility.

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There are two choices regarding Pakistan. First, abandon Pakistan and be seen as having made a grevious diplomatic error in trusting India and Persia and seriously harm the security of the Empire, or, secondly, in some way reassert British right of determination in that region due to Persia's abrogation of the Karachi agreements. We have chosen the second for the sole purpose of giving Mr. Jinnah his Muslim republic with peripherary obligations to the Commonwealth.

There's also option three of Pakistan becoming a Dominion like Canada or Australia with virtual independence but GB keeps a toe in the region.

There are other options but until Canada and the UK news catches up I will refrain to post the option choosen by Persia.

The Azeri National Intelligence Corps offers the British ambassador access to all their intelligence sources within Persia, for the duration of this crisis. Further, seeing as the traditional Persian modus operandi during periods of intense political scrutiny is that of saber-rattling against smaller neighbors, the Azeri air, land, and sea forces are exhorted to exercise utmost caution and restraint towards any future Persian misadventures which might be targeted against Azerbaijan or its citizens.

Chile comments that the withdrawal of Persia from the Karachi Agreement is lamentable, and Chile hopes the issue will be settled peacefully.

Bulgaria makes no comments at this time.

Ireland laments the breakdown of the Karachi Agreement and comments that the League of Nations is an appropriate spot for such a dispute.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
There are other options but until Canada and the UK news catches up I will refrain to post the option choosen by Persia.

Don't hold up on my account. Canada is a strange and confusing place, in which mysterious explosions and fantastical stories of flying discs and lights in the sky dominate the headlines. Plus musings on how well the new Expansion Hockey team in Tehran will do in the upcoming season.

But the language of that statement is definately interesting. It implies that Persia and Persia alone will be chosing the option of what happens to Pakistan, and that way of thinking speaks volumes.

to commanders of Transcaucasus Military District, Central Asian Military District, Siberian Military District, Far Eastern Military District, Pacific Fleet, and Caspian Sea Flotilla XX October 1937 0700HRS Moscow Time

Main Intelligence Directorate of General Staff are monitoring indications of increased tension in Persian Gulf, and throughout Asia.

Main Intelligence Directorate assess that Anglo-Persian hostilities are possible in foreseeable future. Possible complications regarding SATSUMA cannot be ruled out.

If you would, please refrain from any action to alter readiness levels, move forces within your Military Districts, or mobilize new forces.

If you would, please report to me on readiness of all Fortified Regions in your Districts, as well as units of Pacific Fleet and Caspian Sea Flotilla.

Please ensure that Fortified Regions hold their allotted two month supply of ammunition, food, and fuel for their organic Machinegun-Artillery Battalions, Gun Artillery Battalions, and Rifle Divisions assigned to them.

In event of shortfalls, please submit requisition for any deficits, along with your reports.

Please include evaluation of plans for bringing Rifle Divisions assigned to each Fortified Region to full wartime strength from local manpower within twelve hours of mobilization order.

Please evaluate status of field fortifications for Rifle Divisions incorporated into each UR.

You have my esteem, and that of our Motherland, for your unflagging efforts to ensure her protection under all circumstances and against all threats.

Shaposhnikov

October 4th 1937-

“What those idiots think they are doing? Don’t they know their credibility is being erased? What are you doing in Tehran, Ambassador, having sex with the local broads and nothing else? We were caught with our pants down by the actions of the Persians! Now you expect me to fix this mess? The damn Persians have rejected all our attempts to convince them to change their mind!” A.K. Singh, Prime Minister of Bharat, sipped tea from an exquisite cup as he finished yelling into the ivory handset and slammed the handset into the cradle. At least the tea is good, he thought, it always seems to calm me down. Needless to say, he was extremely angry with the Ambassador to Persia right now, but it was more a fault of his nation’s Intelligence Services than anything else. No need to take out his rage on the Ambassador, after all, although if he ever got his hands on whomever was on charge of the Persian Desk of the Intelligence Service…the phone chattered nervously at him, and he shook his head for a moment.

“Mohammed, look, I didn’t’ mean to yell like that at you; it wasn’t your fault. I’ll be meeting with the British soon, and we can see about trying to clean up this snake pit that we seem to have landed in. You try to do your best down in Tehran and will maintain you informed.” He hung up the phone after the Ambassador to the Kingdom of Persia had acknowledged, and let out a sigh of mingled frustration and anger.

Damn it, but why now? Everything was going fine. The treaties with the British gave our nation a direct landline to natural resources needed for our industries and we thought Persian desire for expansion was satisfied somewhat by annexing Baluchistan. Of course, we didn’t take into consideration how proud the Persians were and now Bharat was paying for underestimating the Persians . Singh had been a great soldier, a hero, in the Bharat-Dutch War, but the same action that made him a hero of Bharat also gave him the injury that retired him from military duty. Singh sometimes dreamed that the injury never happened and still was fighting for his Raj. Only it hadn’t quite worked out that way. Instead, due to his injury he went into politics, his status as a war hero making him a favorite of the Raj and a rising star on the Bharat’s diplomatic corps. Now as the man directing Bharat in the name of the Raj he was just trying to do as best as it could. But thanks to the Persians his latest efforts could turn into naught. Singh then punched a button on his desk.

“Could you get me the British Ambassador on the phone, please?" The work of a diplomat was never done, it seemed. At least things could hardly get any worse.

Gee, wouldn't a Bahrat- Persian war be fun???

That would be the logical after ABUSE

October 8th 1937- Short Note by the Foreign Ministry

"The Prime Minister will be leaving the country today to meet with the British Foreign Minister at an undisclosed location. Details will be given at a later date."

October 11th 1937-

The door opened again, and a tall man with a withered left arm walked in. This was Viscount Halifax, the British Foreign Minister, and this was the first time Singh has been close to the man. He knew of his disability but according to Intelligence the man is an avid hunter, even serving in the military during the Great War but on a desk job. That says a lot about his character as a man, thought Singh as standing to greet him. After all, he was his host in Nairobi for these conversations to try to reach a new agreement after the current events caused by the Persian rejection of Karachi. Halifax began to speak, and his upper-class accent sounded a little different than other British accents on Singh’s ears.

“Mister Prime Minister, as the Representative of His Majesty’s Government during this meeting, I have been instructed to offer His Majesty’s and the Government’s greetings and hope we can reach an agreement beneficial to both our nations. Moreover, despite our nations’ disagreements on the past, I applaud your nation’s desire to continue a working relationship with us. I realize that the relationship between our two governments could be described as less than amicable until recently,” and it took all of de Singh’s self-control to keep his face still and not laugh at the remark “but, regardless of whatever has passed between our countries, the future could be bright for both our nations if we cooperate.”

Singh considered Halifax for a moment. No doubt the man himself was being sincere, and that was all to the good; or at least he was an excellent actor. Still he did represent the government that had tried to conquer Bharat less than a hundred years and was one of the nations allied to defeat their still current allies, the Satsuma nations. Not entirely surprising, Great Britain was after all a European nation and all were expansionist powers in their own right. The only major difference , as far as Singh could see, was that Britain was more cunning in how they played the game and they learned from their defeat by Bharat. They allow some of their subject nations certain liberties and prefer to use diplomacy to reach their objectives. I sitting here today am an example of that.

“Thank you, Viscount Halifax. My country and I appreciate your nation’s thoughts at this time. We indeed are here to try to find a way to resolve any differences that the Persian pull out of the Karachi Accord can cause to our growing relationship, and I can only hope that our contribution will be lasting peace as our recent accords indicated.” There. A nice, pointed reference to the fact that we are pulling away from Satsuma and were ready to stand by the ABUSE deal. He continued, “I am all too aware of our history of mutual dislike, and I hope that this will be ended in the coming years.” Though it may take decades went unspoken in the room. “In any event, as the representative of the Raj, I have an official request from my government to yours.”

Halifax tensed up almost at once, though his smile remained fixed on his face, and he cocked his head slightly. “By all means, Mr. Prime Minister. I’ll be happy to transmit this to London as soon as we’re finished with this interview.” Singh smiled and nodded.

“Excellent. The request is as follows: We desire the territorial changes awarded to Bharat by the Karachi Agreement to be included in the recently signed Entente between our nations. This should eliminate any accusations of illegal occupation of that territory by our nation by enemies of Bharat. This will, I think, go a long way in showing the good faith of the British Government towards Bharat, especially in these times.”

Halifax could hardly believe his ears. Bharat want us to add the territorial changes from Karachi in the Entente? That his government was willing to do that was even on the papers. Of course, I guess he wanted to hear it from a reliable source than from a rag. Halifax smiled and nodded, “Of course, Mr. Prime Minister. This is a major diplomatic request, to be certain, but we are amicable to doing this. I will certainly transmit this request to my government today, and I hope to have a response for you by later today at the latest.”

“Thank you, Lord Halifax.”, responded Singh, “With that out of the way we should continue to try to reach an agreement in regard to the rest of Pakistan then. Time is the essence; especially with the Persian announcement.”

It's interesting. I figured the Anglo-Indian treaty would open up a big can of worms somehow or another... most of our treaties do. But this whole Pakistan business was not something I foresaw coming down the pike.

Nice write-up.