WesWorld

Sorry got annoyed with the "Do as I say not as I do" but since Roo doesnt seem to have an problem with it neither should I.

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That FIAT was neglected is clearly rubbish, now if it was only a political problem why was for example Alfa Romeo so tardy in putting the licence produced DB 601(Alfa Romeo RA 1000 RC 41) Monsone into production or FIAT with the Tifone? Why did a G.50/MC.200 take rougly 20,000 manhours to build whent the Bf-109 took only around 7,000? These engineering wizards seem to have relied heavily on licence produced engines for mass production why?

It takes months to redraw construction drawings to a different national standard and put in an entirely new assembly line. Italy was rather reticent to forego her own indigenous engines as well, namely the A.38 that would have powered the G.55. The Bf 109 was especially good in number of manhours requiring for construction. In other areas, like price it doesn't compare as well. A lot of countries relied heavily on licence produced engines and developed lines. The BMW801 was created from licencing the P&W Hornet in the late 20s. BMW just did it earlier than Fiat and were able to create something better with time.

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Sorry got annoyed with the "Do as I say not as I do" but since Roo doesnt seem to have an problem with it neither should I.

This is the conservative development line as well. I'm sure I could justify much more given historical precedent. A lot of it is my personnel favour and preferences. There are some things I'm not a great fan of.

Yeah I can see that, so the Re-2000 was more common than the G.50....

You not only show lack of technical history knowledge but of common history knowledge.

The Re-2000, 2001,2002 and 2005 combined were built in fewer number than the G.50, it should also be noted that most Re-2000 were exported. Since you are so fond of numbers how can you make that mistake? Read up on the embargo on Italy , what was embargoed and for how long.

You will notice that facts are more effective than sarcasm and name dropping in a discussion. I will not discuss this further.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Where's Kanzaki getting the in-line engines from? Historically, those were not exactly a Japanese specialty.....

For My 2 Cents : I don't think we should bind Japan to OTL history in this matter, more if it is reasonable. France had both radials and inlines OTL, the two nations are pegged about the same here. Atlantis and South Afrika both support radial and inline- engines.

Japan is similar sized factory wise, and had a big domestic industry, I don't see why they could not have reasonable inline engines. Even if it just means they did what the Russians did with the HS-12Y and build off a foreign design.



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Players can't call out players. Mods do that. Players can attempt to tell long stories to bore other players into passivity.

Once upon a time, I was playing a PBM war game with a friend and his brother. My friend had to depart as he was assigned to run a training base in Costa Rica. So that left his brother and I to coordinate. I devised an elaborate attack scheme that needed coordination and timing to set up for the hammer blow. Partway into the setup, the brother started to deviate. The email devolved into a flame war. I was in large part at fault - why?

Since I was sending messages out in the ether, I could not tell how they were being received. No body language or verbal cues. I had won multiple games of this and his reticence in executing my concepts were regarded as ill-founded, muleheaded and slow.

I tried to show him the error of his ways by stepping him through the plan, by explaining in detail, I stooped to belittling and sarcasm, which he returned.

The exchange did neither of us good. It placed his brother in an bad situation.

I was "right" in a tactical and strategic sense in that his modifications to resources and failures to move his fleets to the right spots meant the plan came up just short. We came so very close.

I was "wrong" overall, because dammit that was his position and he was here to have fun too, not to be browbeaten and told what to do.

I was "wrong" as well because the barbs and sarcasm we exchanged added nothing, convinced no one- indeed they tend to shut down the exchange of ideas- and hurt our ability to work together to come to a good conclusion.

Months later we wound up on the same side in another team version of the game. We discussed things like adults with the presumption that the other had valid views and something to say- i.e. if it didn't sound like it, that didn't mean the other was a moron, just that something was not being understood. Ultimately we could agree to disagree and each was responsible for their section of front. There was another teammate that ignored advice and got his force destroyed, the two of us recovered, and we won that game.

Please do not demand apology's, thats the mod's responcibility. This is supposed to be a place to discuss things politely, not throw ones weight around.

I'd also like to remind everyone to keep the critisism's polite, no sarcasm, no caustic accusations that someone has their facts wrong and no name dropping. Give a link to this persons site if its relevant to the discussion or invite them to the discussion themselves.

I'd also suggest reading the rules and admin forums from time to time, particularily the post on PM's.

I'd like to keep this civil, because if players don't make the effort, the mod's have the ability to "enforce" it through various actions.