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Tuesday, January 13th 2009, 7:01am

Hmm, having someone fund a Peruvian carrier would be most interesting, and such a ship would have a very high probability of meeting an unfortunate accident...perhaps you could order it from the Phillipines.

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Tuesday, January 13th 2009, 7:14am

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
IMO, it would be strategically sensible for AEGIS to fund a Peruvian carrier, which with a smaller Iberian carrier could counter Chile's fleet in the Pacific, but thats JMHO.

That's technically a sound move, particularly as most nations wouldn't be perfectly aware of the specifics relating to Chile's Libertad design.

In truth, I'd welcome further Peruvian carrier interest, as it would give me rationale to build another geisha cruiser and two more CVLs, which is by far what I'd prefer to building more battlewagons, with the price-tag that implies. 1 CA (18,261t) + 2 CVL (12,400t) = 43,061 tons for three first-rate ships, versus around the same amount for a modern fast dreadnought... much better bargain, IMHO.

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Friday, January 16th 2009, 10:39am

well for BBs/BCs this is more like what I would rather be building. its anadaptation of one of my Navalisim ships so things like secondaries arnt exactly perfect to Peru

Almirante Guise, Peru Light Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
24,200 t light; 25,180 t standard; 26,996 t normal; 28,449 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
734.00 ft / 717.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
223.72 m / 218.54 m x 28.96 m x 9.14 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1937 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1937 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (4 mounts), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,707 lbs / 3,496 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 430.20 ft / 131.13 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 430.20 ft / 131.13 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 430.20 ft / 131.13 m 26.35 ft / 8.03 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 5.00" / 127 mm 5.00" / 127 mm -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 97,925 shp / 73,052 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,269 tons

Complement:
1,052 - 1,368

Cost:
£11.106 million / $44.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 963 tons, 3.6 %
Armour: 9,593 tons, 35.5 %
- Belts: 3,873 tons, 14.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 629 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 2,346 tons, 8.7 %
- Armour Deck: 2,532 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 213 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,714 tons, 10.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,830 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,796 tons, 10.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
46,393 lbs / 21,044 Kg = 53.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 7.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.462
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.55 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.45 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (70 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 21.60 ft / 6.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181.7 %
Waterplane Area: 45,614 Square feet or 4,238 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 819 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.45
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 100 tons
50 tons Flag Facilities
25 Aircraft Facilities
25 tons Crew Comfort

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Tanthalas" (Jan 16th 2009, 10:40am)


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Friday, January 16th 2009, 2:54pm

Why the casemate guns?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Jan 16th 2009, 2:55pm)


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Friday, January 16th 2009, 3:20pm

Not to mention it's a LOT bigger than Guise and Villar are: 14000+ tons vs 24000+.

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Friday, January 16th 2009, 3:25pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Not to mention it's a LOT bigger than Guise and Villar are: 14000+ tons vs 24000+.


Actually Villar class are 22000+. The Grau is 14000+

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Friday, January 16th 2009, 3:33pm

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Originally posted by perdedor99

Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Not to mention it's a LOT bigger than Guise and Villar are: 14000+ tons vs 24000+.


Actually Villar class are 22000+. The Grau is 14000+


Ah, OK, I thought those were the same, my error.