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Saturday, March 20th 2004, 9:04pm

Something smaller....

A lot, lot smaller.



Scale is 1:47 like the other drawings i've recently posted. Anyone care to guess; what it is? speed? dimensions? armament?

HoOmAn

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Saturday, March 20th 2004, 10:28pm

???

A joke?

*just kidding*

No ideas....

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 12:48am

I would say a small aircraft transport for transfering aircraft from a harbour to an aircraft or floatplane carrier. She has an excessive armament if this is the case though.

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 10:19am

Both wrong, but Hooman is doubly wrong. This thing was a real project for the MM. And no she isn't an aircraft transport.

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 10:57am

Rough guess...

A lot of guesswork, and it's not the best of ships, but it is rather small, so...

Sconosciuto, Italian "Haven't-Got-A-Clue-What-It-Is" ship laid down 1924

Displacement:
177 t light; 182 t standard; 215 t normal; 241 t full load
Loading submergence 36 tons/feet

Dimensions:
124.67 ft x 17.06 ft x 7.87 ft (normal load)
38.00 m x 5.20 m x 2.40 m

Armament:
1 - 2.24" / 57 mm guns
2 - 0.79" / 20 mm AA guns
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,365 shp / 1,019 Kw = 17.50 kts
Range 3,500nm at 12.00 kts

Complement:
28 - 36

Cost:
£0.041 million / $0.162 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 45 tons, 20.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 81 tons, 37.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 38 tons, 17.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 23.2 %

Metacentric height 0.4

Remarks:
Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation & workspaces is cramped

Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.03
Shellfire needed to sink: 268 lbs / 122 Kg = 47.4 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells
(Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.3
(Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform: 40 %
(Average = 50 %)
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.05
Relative quality as seaboat: 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.450
Sharpness coefficient: 0.35
Hull speed coefficient 'M': 6.35
'Natural speed' for length: 11.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
Trim: 29
(Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 96.2 %
Relative accommodation and working space: 69.5 %
(Average = 100%)
Displacement factor: 147 %
(Displacement relative to loading factors)
Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.02
(Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs / square foot or 150 Kg / square metre)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 5.29
(for 8.20 ft / 2.50 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 1.17 ft)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.20

What it is used for???
No idea...
Perhaps a submarine chaser?

Walter

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 1:34pm

Your length is spot on Walter but everything else except those secondary guns is wrong. I have tried to sim this vessel with springsharp but it doesn't remotely work. Diesel engines? why not petrol?

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 2:54pm

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Your length is spot on Walter

Well, it should be. I used the Francesco Caracciolo to determine the length of this small one. I also noticed that the Francesco Caracciolo uses 3" guns which are similar to the gun on the small vessel. However, a 57mm gun on a smaller vessel also appeared to be similar to that gun...
... but as I said, it was mostly guesswork...

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Diesel engines? why not petrol?

Petrol? Well, perhaps because you need the petrol for something else.

Walter

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Sunday, March 21st 2004, 4:17pm

If you have petrol you could use it for both the boat engines and the aeroplane, thus not having to carry 2 different fuels.

For guns, there is little difference between 57 and 100mm weapons. Especially as the 100mm are of 45 cal, and the 57mm are 60cal i think.

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Monday, March 22nd 2004, 4:55pm



Mas 38

Year November 1924
Shipyard Cantieri Navali del Quarnaro
length 38m
1 102/45
2 25mm
4 Torpedoes
1 seaplane M.18 or 8 more torpedoes.

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Monday, March 22nd 2004, 5:02pm

That's a neat little thing...
... and as you said, I was spot on when it came to the lenght of the vessel.
You plan to build a lot of these little pests?

Walter

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Monday, March 22nd 2004, 5:16pm

Building them? I'm not sure about that.

38m hull and 12 torpedoes? Sounds like a good combination.