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Sunday, April 5th 2009, 2:22am

Atlantis Q1/37

*subject to corrections*
A. Industrial Allocation

27/31 factories (non fixed) to naval materials: 27,000 tons created for Q1/1937 plus 633 tons stockpiled from Q4/36, plus 1,564 tons transfered from foreign sources

1,375 tons transfered from Romania
1,000 tons from Byzantium
472 from Russia

Total warship materials: 30,480

29,757 tons used for ship building, 723 tons stockpiled for next quarter.

4/31 factory's (non-fixed) to infrastructure development: 0.4 points, transfered to Colombia

0/31 factory's (fixed) to infrastructure development: 0.0 points


B. Infrastructure Development


C. Naval Construction

At Cleito

Class 4 Slip #1 - Battleship Neptune laid down, 47,516 tons needed, 1,870 tons added
Class 4 Slip #2 - Battleship Oberoth laid down, 47,516 tons needed, 1,870 tons added
Class 4 Drydock #1 - BB Eumelos under refit/repairs (8% damage plus 25% level 3 refit, 33% total) 13,499 tons needed, 12,000 tons used, 1,499 tons added
Class 4 Drydock #2 - BC Vengeance rebuild (50%) 19,786 tons needed, 11,000 tons used, 3,000 tons added
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #3 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #4 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #1 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #2 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #3 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #4 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

CA- Daedalus freefloating, 11,466 tons needed, 11,000 tons used, 466 tons added
DD's Ibex, Ibis, Imaculate, Impact completed, begin trials
2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)


At Eridanus

Class 4 Slip #1 - Battleship Leviathan laid down, 47,516 tons needed, 1,870 tons added
Class 4 Slip #2 - Battleship Orion laid down, 47,516 tons needed, 1,870 tons added
Class 4 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 4 Drydock #2 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 2 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 1 Slip #2 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 1 Slip #3 - 1 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 1 Slip #4 - Idle

CA- Orthus freefloating, 11,466 tons needed, 11,000 tons used, 466 tons added
DD's Kaffir, Kalendae, Karma, Karoo completed, begin trials

CL Ares under level 3 refit, 2060 tons needed, 1,310 tons used, 750 tons added

At Duecalion

Class 3 Slip #1 - CV Arcturus 22,362 tons needed, 1,700 tons added
Class 3 Slip #2 - CV Aufidus 22,362 tons needed, 1,700 tons added
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 2 Drydock #1 - 8 type 2 CMB's building, 96 tons needed, 96 tons added
Class 0 slip #1 - 3 type 2 CMB's building, 36 tons needed, 36 tons added
Class 0 slip #2 - 3 type 2 CMB's building, 36 tons needed, 36 tons added
Class 0 slip #3 - 3 type 2 CMB's building, 36 tons needed, 36 tons added
Class 0 slip #4 - 3 type 2 CMB's building, 36 tons needed, 36 tons added

CLAA Zerberus completed, on trials
DD's Foss and Cofer on trials

At Illissus

Class 3 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 3 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #1 - DDL Aruba launched, 2,563 tons needed, 1,923 tons used, 640 tons added
Class 2 Slip #2 - DDL Barlavento launched, 2,563 tons needed, 1,923 tons used, 640 tons added
Class 2 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - DD Impair laid down,1,583 tons needed, 400 tons added
Class 1 Slip #2 - DD Impose laid down, 1,583 tons needed, 400 tons added
Class 1 Slip #3 - DD Impart laid down, 1,583 tons needed, 400 tons added
Class 1 Slip #4 - DD Impress laid down, 1,583 tons needed, 400 tons added
Class 0 Slip #1 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #2 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #3 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #4 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

CA- Oydessy freefloating, 11,466 tons needed, 11,000 tons used, 466 tons added
CL Oceanus begins level 3 refit, 2060 tons needed, 1,310 tons used, 750 tons added
2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

At Palinerus

Type 2 Drydock #1 - Idle
Type 0 Drydock #1 - Idle
Type 0 Drydock #2 - Idle
Type 0 Drydock #3 - Idle


At Phelleus

Class 3 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 3 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 3 Drydock #2 - Idle
Class 5 Drydock #1 - Battlecruiser Navarin rebuild started, 16,801 tons needed, 472 tons added 16,329 tons remaining
Class 1 Slip #1 - DD Kasbah laid down, 1,688 tons needed, 488 tons added
Class 1 Slip #2 - DD Kedge laid down, 1,688 tons needed, 488 tons added
Class 1 Slip #3 - DD Kestral laid down, 1,688 tons needed, 488 tons added
Class 1 Slip #4 - DD Ketch laid down, 1,688 tons needed, 488 tons added
Class 0 Slip #1 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #2 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #3 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #4 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

CA- Aeneas freefloating, 11,466 tons needed, 11,000 tons used, 466 tons added
2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

At Lycabettus type 4 port (8/9)

Class 2 Slip #1 - DDL Bonaire launched, 2,563 tons needed, 1,923 tons used, 640 tons added
Class 2 Slip #2 - DDL Curacao launched, 2,563 tons needed, 1,923 tons used, 640 tons added
Class 2 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 2 Drydock #2 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #3 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #4 - Idle
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle

CL Persephone and Artemis undergoing level 3 refit, 2060 tons needed (each), 1,310 tons used (each), 750 tons added (each)


At Maracaibo type 3 port (5/7)

Class 5 Drydock #1 - upgrade completed
Class 1 drydock #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #3 - 2 type 2 motor gunboats building
Class 1 Slip #4 - 2 type 2 motor gunboats building
Class 0 Slip #1 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #2 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #3 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)
Class 0 Slip #4 - 2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

2 MTB building (MTB-202 type)

At Safi type 2 port (4/5)

Class 2 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - 3 type 2 motor gunboats building
Class 1 Slip #2 - 3 type 2 motor gunboats building
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #3 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #4 - Idle


Launched ships/freefloating ships being completed:

4 Deadalus class CA's building

Ships completed and on trials:
4 Zerberus CLAA's on trials
4 I class DD's begin trials
4 K class DD's begin trials
10xMGB type 2 on trials
20xMTB type 202 begin trials

Summary of ship building/repairs/rebuilds and convertions.

Repairs to BB Eumelos (1,499 tons)
BC Vengeance rebuild (3,000 tons)
Russian BC Navarin rebuild (472 tons)
4 Neptune class BB's building (8,000 tons)
2 Arcturus class CV's (3,400 tons)
4 Daedalus class CA's building (1,864 tons)
4 Ares class refitting (3,000 tons)
4 Aruba class DDLs build (2,560 tons)
4 I class DD's building (1,600 tons)
4 K class DD's building (1,952 tons)
10 Type 2 motor gunboats built (950 tons)
25 MTB-202 class Motor Torpedo Boats built (1,250 tons) for Romania
20 MTB-202 class Motor Torpedo Boats built (1,000 tons)
20 CMB type 2's built (240 tons)



D. Transactions

none


E. Other Notes

None

F. Miscellaneous Works

None

G. Updated Order of Battle, 1/10/36

Note: X (Y)+Z = completed/in service (under repair/refit/rebuild) + under construction.

Battleships:................................12(0)4
Battlecruisers:.............................1(1)0
CV:............................................3(0)2
Training battleship:......................0(0)0
Training CV's:..............................2(0)0
Training cruisers:.........................2(0)0
CA:............................................8(0)4
Escort Cruisers:..........................2(0)0
CL:.............................................40(4)0
DD: type A................................16(0)4
DD: type B................................136(0)8
Torpedo boats:...........................N/A
Moniters:...................................2(0)0
Fleet Submarine:.......................52(0)0
Coastal Submarine:...................84(0)0
Experimental submarine:..............1(0)0
Mini subs:...................................12(0)0

Non-Treaty Limited Ships
DD: (type C/ escorts).................80(0)0 *10 P class transfered to Byzantium
Sloops:.......................................N/A
Frigates:.....................................8(0)0
Corvettes:...................................N/A
Torpedo gunboats:......................0(0)0
Gunboats:.................................32(0)0
Patrol vessels:...........................0(0)0
Mine sweepers:.........................24(0)0
Mine warfare vessels:.................16(0)0
Sub chasers:.............................300(0)0
Coastal Motor Torpedo Boats:.....40(0)20
Motor Gunboats:..........................120(0)10
Motor Torpedo Boats:................290(0)20
Motor Launchs:.........................220(0)0
Motor Launchs/minlayers:..........40(0)0
Floatplane carrier/tenders:..........2(0)0
Airship tenders:.........................2(0)0
Blimp carrier/tenders:................2(0)0
Destroyer depot ships:...............2(0)0
Submarine depot ships:.............4(0)0
Small craft depot ships:..............4(0)0
Repair ships:.............................2(0)0
Transports:...............................10(0)0
Landing Craft Infantry:................80(0)0
Landing Craft Mechanized..........20(0)0
landing Craft Tank.....................10(0)0
Infantry launches:......................20(0)0

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Sunday, April 5th 2009, 2:32am

Byzantium Q1/37

Byzantium Q1/37

A. Industrial Allocation

1/1 factories (non fixed) to naval materials: 1000 tons produced

Total warship materials: 1,000 tons

1,000 tons transfered to Atlantis


B. Infrastructure Development

none

C. Naval Construction

Constantinople

Type 3 drydock #1 - Idle
Type 1 drydock #1 - Idle
Type 0 slip #1 - Idle
Type 0 slip #2 - Idle
Type 0 slip #3 - Idle
Type 0 slip #4 - Idle

Launched ships being completed:

none

Ships completed and on trials:

Light Cruiser Admiral Svietlana on trials

Summary of ship building/repairs/rebuilds and convertions.

none

D. Transactions

1,000 tons transfered

E. Other Notes

none

F. Updated Order of Battle, 4/1/36

Note: X (Y)+Z = completed/in service (under repair/refit/rebuild) + under construction.

Capital ships:............................0(0)0
Cruisers:...................................0(0)0
Destroyers:...............................0(0)0
Torpedo boats:..........................0(0)0
escorts:...................................0(0)0
Gunboats:................................0(0)0
Submarines:.............................0(0)0
Patrol vessels:..........................0(0)0
Mine warfare ships:...................0(0)0
Sub chasers:...........................12(0)0
Motor Launches:......................0(0)0
Coastal Motor torpedo boats:....40(0)0
Infantry launches:....................18(0)0
Depot ships:............................ 0(0)0
Auxillary's: ..............................0(0)0

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 3:52am

Improved Philomedes, Atlantean Battleship, designed for 1937 to replace the planned two Massinissa and four Oberoth designs with six standard designs.

Ship names: Neptune, Oberoth, Leviathan, Orion laid down 1937, two additional ships ordered.



Displacement:
47,370 t light; 50,322 t standard; 55,157 t normal; 59,024 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
844.37 ft / 825.00 ft x 110.00 ft x 33.50 ft (normal load)
257.36 m / 251.46 m x 33.53 m x 10.21 m

Armament:
9 - 16.50" / 419 mm guns (3x3 guns), 2,246.06lbs / 1,018.80kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
24 - 5.10" / 130 mm guns (12x2 guns), 66.33lbs / 30.08kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
16 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
28 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (7x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 21,845 lbs / 9,909 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.15" / 55 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 11.7" / 297 mm 15.0" / 381 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.58" / 40 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.75" / 171 mm, Conning tower: 15.00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 158,000 shp / 117,868 Kw = 30.01 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,702 tons

Complement:
1,799 - 2,339

Cost:
£24.899 million / $99.596 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,731 tons, 5.0 %
Armour: 19,067 tons, 34.6 %
- Belts: 4,451 tons, 8.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,146 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 4,072 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 8,930 tons, 16.2 %
- Conning Tower: 468 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,379 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 20,993 tons, 38.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,787 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
79,249 lbs / 35,947 Kg = 35.3 x 16.5 " / 419 mm shells or 12.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 18.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.635
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.82 ft / 9.39 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.63 ft / 7.20 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174.2 %
Waterplane Area: 71,514 Square feet or 6,644 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1,067 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.01
- Longitudinal: 1.25
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 4:15am

You finally drew it out!!! :D :D

...okay, I totally want one, now. Look at that AWESOME bow. It just has the LOOK of something that's gonna lay some serious smackdown on a bunch of baddies.

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 5:04am

Yes, Atlantis has finnaly ditched those business like bows and added some flare forward. I already added it to my encyclopedia last week however I should have posted it here much sooner so, voila!

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 11:32am

Everything looks good, except the stability: 1.02 means you'll be counterflooding awfully quickly....

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 3:19pm

He obviously wants the 70% steadiness. I usually don't go for it if it means that my stability will drop below 1.05. Looking at the design, I think that with some minor adjustments, it should be possible to have 70% steadiness and a stability equal or greater than 1.05. After all, there is some hull strength left.

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 5:12pm

Hows this? I had to reduce the shell number as a result of adding the proper shell weight. I also increased her draft just a wee bit to compensate.
I might need to increase her size just slightly if I want to retain the 150 shell loadout and get a seaboat rating of 1.10 with a stability of 60 or higher.

Neptune, Atlantean Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
47,450 t light; 50,637 t standard; 55,486 t normal; 59,365 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
839.37 ft / 825.00 ft x 110.00 ft x 33.70 ft (normal load)
255.84 m / 251.46 m x 33.53 m x 10.27 m

Armament:
9 - 16.54" / 420 mm guns (3x3 guns), 2,645.55lbs / 1,200.00kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
24 - 5.10" / 130 mm guns (12x2 guns), 66.33lbs / 30.08kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
16 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
28 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (7x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 25,441 lbs / 11,540 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 145

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.15" / 55 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 11.7" / 297 mm 15.0" / 381 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.58" / 40 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.75" / 171 mm, Conning tower: 15.00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 158,517 shp / 118,253 Kw = 30.01 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,729 tons

Complement:
1,806 - 2,349

Cost:
£25.010 million / $100.038 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,749 tons, 5.0 %
Armour: 19,079 tons, 34.4 %
- Belts: 4,450 tons, 8.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,146 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 4,083 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 8,930 tons, 16.1 %
- Conning Tower: 470 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,393 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21,029 tons, 37.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,036 tons, 14.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
81,332 lbs / 36,891 Kg = 35.9 x 16.5 " / 420 mm shells or 12.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 17.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.635
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.82 ft / 9.39 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.63 ft / 7.20 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173.5 %
Waterplane Area: 71,514 Square feet or 6,644 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1,068 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 5:16pm

150 rounds of main gun ammunition is probably not necessary, I'd be fine with reducing it some (down to 120-130 rounds or so) if needed. Stability of 1.09 is FAR, FAR better than 1.02.

Belt length (yes, I know, my pet comment) seems a bit short, but you're hardly the only one doing it.

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 5:21pm

I'll have to check the drawing on my template but IIRC the belt is as drawn. I might dip the shell loadout to 140-135 and see what I can fit in to compensate, perhaps more torpedo bulkhead armour.

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 5:25pm

With reduced shell loadout and increased (slightly) torpedo bulkhead.

Neptune, Atlantean Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
47,516 t light; 50,558 t standard; 55,404 t normal; 59,280 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
839.37 ft / 825.00 ft x 110.00 ft x 33.65 ft (normal load)
255.84 m / 251.46 m x 33.53 m x 10.26 m

Armament:
9 - 16.54" / 420 mm guns (3x3 guns), 2,645.55lbs / 1,200.00kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
24 - 5.10" / 130 mm guns (12x2 guns), 66.33lbs / 30.09kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
16 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
28 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (7x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 25,441 lbs / 11,540 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.25" / 57 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 11.7" / 297 mm 15.0" / 381 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.58" / 40 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.75" / 171 mm, Conning tower: 15.00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 158,182 shp / 118,004 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,722 tons

Complement:
1,805 - 2,347

Cost:
£25.015 million / $100.061 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,749 tons, 5.0 %
Armour: 19,132 tons, 34.5 %
- Belts: 4,450 tons, 8.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,199 tons, 2.2 %
- Armament: 4,083 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 8,930 tons, 16.1 %
- Conning Tower: 470 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,384 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21,051 tons, 38.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,887 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
81,646 lbs / 37,034 Kg = 36.1 x 16.5 " / 420 mm shells or 12.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 17.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.635
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.82 ft / 9.39 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.63 ft / 7.20 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173.6 %
Waterplane Area: 71,514 Square feet or 6,644 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1,069 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Saturday, April 18th 2009, 3:13am

No further nitpicks to address then? Any more idea's?

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Saturday, April 18th 2009, 11:07am

Quoted

Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
No further nitpicks to address then? Any more idea's?


The heavy secondary battery makes the ship a bit crowded. It depends whether it's felt to be needed. 16x130 arranged like KGV would give more space on the superstructure and better arcs of fire. Might want to have a little play around with the AA FC Directors to give more overlap. The cranes seem to be a little short as well, moving them outboard to where the little life rafts are should solve the problem.

Looks quite nice otherwise. Its interesting to see Atlantean ships looking more like USN ones rather than RN ones.

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 4:47am

A new sub design. Bulgaria has also ordered the Delfi to this design.

R-74, Atlantean coastal sub laid down 1937

Displacement:
480 t light; 491 t standard; 537 t normal; 573 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
165.50 ft / 165.50 ft x 22.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
50.44 m / 50.44 m x 6.71 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
2 - 2.95" / 74.9 mm guns in single mounts, 12.84lbs / 5.82kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all forward
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 0
5 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 1,127 shp / 840 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 12.50 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons

Complement:
55 - 72

Cost:
£0.131 million / $0.524 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 31 tons, 5.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 306 tons, 57.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 56 tons, 10.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 26.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
179 lbs / 81 Kg = 13.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.04
Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 1 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Mid (50 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Stern: 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Average freeboard: 0.09 ft / 0.03 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.8 %
Waterplane Area: 2,286 Square feet or 212 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 234 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 461 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 3.31
- Longitudinal: 2.57
- Overall: 2.74
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Operational depth: 274 feet
Emergency depth: 438 feet
Crush depth: 685 feet

100 tons for ballast
15 tons for 10 reload torpedo's
10 for "improved hydrophones"
10 tons for Fallax system
5 tons for additional amunition

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 10:05am

Its a pretty small submarine for all that armament. How does it all fit? Would it not be better to replace the two 76mm guns with one 102mm gun? I can't really see when lots of little shells would be needed.

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 11:59am

Fair point on the guns, 1x75mm should be sufficient given the historically comparable designs I've looked at.

R-74, Atlantean coastal sub laid down 1937

Displacement:
480 t light; 491 t standard; 537 t normal; 573 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
165.50 ft / 165.50 ft x 22.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
50.44 m / 50.44 m x 6.71 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75 mm guns in single mounts, 12.84lbs / 5.82kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 14 lbs / 6 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 0
5 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 1,127 shp / 840 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 12.50 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons

Complement:
55 - 72

Cost:
£0.124 million / $0.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 31 tons, 5.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 307 tons, 57.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 56 tons, 10.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 26.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
193 lbs / 88 Kg = 15.1 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.04
Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 1 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Mid (50 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Stern: 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Average freeboard: 0.09 ft / 0.03 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.8 %
Waterplane Area: 2,286 Square feet or 212 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 248 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 463 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 3.37
- Longitudinal: 2.59
- Overall: 2.77
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Operational depth:
Emergency depth
Crush depth

105 tons for ballast
15 tons for 10 reload torpedo's
10 for "improved hydrophones"
10 tons for Fallax system

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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 12:21pm

Quoted

Shells per gun, main battery: 0


Some ammunition would be a good idea.

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Hrolf Hakonson" (Apr 25th 2009, 12:22pm)


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Saturday, April 25th 2009, 4:48pm

Grrrrrrr.....I hate it when that happens! one last kick at the cat...

R-74, Atlantean coastal sub laid down 1937

Displacement:
479 t light; 491 t standard; 537 t normal; 573 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
165.50 ft / 165.50 ft x 22.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
50.44 m / 50.44 m x 6.71 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.89lbs / 5.85kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 14 lbs / 6 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
5 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 1,127 shp / 840 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 12.50 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons

Complement:
55 - 72

Cost:
£0.123 million / $0.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 31 tons, 5.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 306 tons, 57.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 58 tons, 10.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 26.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
191 lbs / 87 Kg = 14.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.04
Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 1 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Mid (50 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Stern: 0.10 ft / 0.03 m
- Average freeboard: 0.09 ft / 0.03 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 0.8 %
Waterplane Area: 2,286 Square feet or 212 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 248 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 461 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 3.36
- Longitudinal: 2.58
- Overall: 2.75
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Operational depth:
Emergency depth
Crush depth

105 tons for ballast
15 tons for 10 reload torpedo's
10 for "improved hydrophones"
10 tons for Fallax system