WesWorld

Ocean Class , Esc Bb laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
35.109 t light; 37.127 t standard; 40.439 t normal; 43.089 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
720,91 ft / 716,86 ft x 98,43 ft x 30,35 ft (normal load)
219,73 m / 218,50 m x 30,00 m x 9,25 m

Armament:
9 - 15,94" / 405 mm guns (3x3 guns), 2.026,91lbs / 919,39kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
12 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (6x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
2 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 19.551 lbs / 8.868 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 462,37 ft / 140,93 m 14,53 ft / 4,43 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,91" / 150 mm 462,37 ft / 140,93 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,57" / 40 mm 462,37 ft / 140,93 m 29,13 ft / 8,88 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,97" / 50 mm -
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5,91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 90.690 shp / 67.655 Kw = 26,00 kts
Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5.962 tons

Complement:
1.425 - 1.853

Cost:
£6,827 million / $27,307 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.444 tons, 6,0 %
Armour: 14.809 tons, 36,6 %
- Belts: 4.962 tons, 12,3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 785 tons, 1,9 %
- Armament: 2.747 tons, 6,8 %
- Armour Deck: 5.965 tons, 14,8 %
- Conning Tower: 350 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 3.379 tons, 8,4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13.728 tons, 33,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.330 tons, 13,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 1,9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
47.382 lbs / 21.492 Kg = 23,4 x 15,9 " / 405 mm shells or 6,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
Metacentric height 6,5 ft / 2,0 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,661
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 16,87 ft / 5,14 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,7 %
Waterplane Area: 54.598 Square feet or 5.072 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 189 lbs/sq ft or 924 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,00
- Longitudinal: 1,01
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Armor Notes:1915 All Imp. KC types +10%

Main Belt 10 dg outward slope
Deck:
25 mm capping upper belt
100 mm capping main belt
25 mm splinter deck
Misc weigth:
2x F.C. :500 t(1912)
L/R W/L :25 t
Seendes Augen 25 t(1915)
Star Shell for 100mm AA guns:25 t
Reserve 175 t.

General Kassar, Esc Bb laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
40.915 t light; 43.105 t standard; 46.383 t normal; 49.005 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
752,81 ft / 749,34 ft x 108,27 ft x 31,17 ft (normal load)
229,46 m / 228,40 m x 33,00 m x 9,50 m

Armament:
6 - 15,94" / 405 mm guns (2x3 guns), 2.026,91lbs / 919,39kg shells, 1918 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 15,94" / 405 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.026,91lbs / 919,39kg shells, 1918 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (8x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1918 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1918 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 21.928 lbs / 9.947 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 15,78 ft / 4,81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,91" / 150 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,97" / 50 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 31,99 ft / 9,75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
2nd: 13,8" / 350 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 13,8" / 350 mm
3rd: 2,95" / 75 mm 1,97" / 50 mm -

- Armour deck: 5,51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 3 shafts, 83.769 shp / 62.492 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 9.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5.900 tons

Complement:
1.579 - 2.054

Cost:
£8,343 million / $33,372 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.741 tons, 5,9 %
Armour: 16.349 tons, 35,2 %
- Belts: 4.904 tons, 10,6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 955 tons, 2,1 %
- Armament: 3.815 tons, 8,2 %
- Armour Deck: 6.291 tons, 13,6 %
- Conning Tower: 383 tons, 0,8 %
Machinery: 3.121 tons, 6,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17.954 tons, 38,7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.468 tons, 11,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 1,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
61.039 lbs / 27.687 Kg = 30,1 x 15,9 " / 405 mm shells or 9,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 6,9 ft / 2,1 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,642
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,92 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forecastle (10 %): 18,77 ft / 5,72 m
- Mid (50 %): 18,77 ft / 5,72 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18,77 ft / 5,72 m
- Stern: 18,77 ft / 5,72 m
- Average freeboard: 18,80 ft / 5,73 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,7 %
Waterplane Area: 61.695 Square feet or 5.732 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1.081 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,13
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Armor disposition as in Ocean class:Armor Notes:1915 All Imp. KC types +10%

Misc Weight:
2x FC :500t(1912)
L/RW/L:25 t
Seendes augen :25 t(1915)
Flag faciliteies:50 t
Starshells :50 t
Reserve:100t

Powerfull BBs

Laid down in 1917 & 1918, are they Terra Nova projects ?


Jef

East Sea Confederacy was one of the powers from Navalism 3 - the name referred to a local name for the Baltic.

And honestly, more giant battleships would've been the last thing I'd've said the ESC fleet needed.

That said, these aren't bad ones.

As the Esc emphasised in mine warfare ,here is an attempt to close to Ww rules;please criticize:
Minecruiser batch 3, Esc Minecruiser laid down 1941

Displacement:
5.330 t light; 5.478 t standard; 6.007 t normal; 6.430 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
521,55 ft / 518,37 ft x 55,77 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
158,97 m / 158,00 m x 17,00 m x 5,50 m

Armament:
6 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns (3x2 guns), 52,72lbs / 23,92kg shells, 1941 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1941 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 325 lbs / 147 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 326,77 ft / 99,60 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4,72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 41.570 shp / 31.011 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 952 tons

Complement:
340 - 443

Cost:
£2,315 million / $9,259 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 41 tons, 0,7 %
Armour: 1.613 tons, 26,9 %
- Belts: 883 tons, 14,7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 23 tons, 0,4 %
- Armour Deck: 674 tons, 11,2 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0,6 %
Machinery: 1.099 tons, 18,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.128 tons, 35,4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 677 tons, 11,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 7,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9.928 lbs / 4.503 Kg = 188,3 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,27
Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 13,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,403
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,29 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 18,04 ft / 5,50 m
- Forecastle (10 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 13,32 ft / 4,06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136,0 %
Waterplane Area: 18.502 Square feet or 1.719 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,00
- Longitudinal: 1,08
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Misc weight:
FC 100 tns
L/R W/L 25 tns
Mines 300 tns=ca 1000 mines

One thing you'll note here is that the misc weight 'rules', which don't really exist per se, are rather more realistic than Nverse. No 100t FC, nor 25t for a W/T. Best bet is to look at some designs and see what is 'normal' for certain things.

Dont you use Miscellaneous weights in regard to torpedoes and mines ?

Quoted

Originally posted by ledeper
Dont you use Miscellaneous weights in regard to torpedoes and mines ?

Yes and no. Our current interpretation is that we do not use miscellaneous weights for the torpedoes loaded in the tubes, but we DO use miscellaneous weight for the reloads. The rationale for this is that a not-inconsiderable number of ships at the beginning of the game and still in service did not receive miscellaneous weight for torpedoes.

Mines, on the flip side, are fully paid for in miscellaneous weight.

Wesworld rules on miscellaneous weight only cover embarked aircraft. All other figures are left up to the designer to determine, with the unspoken assumption that the designer should be prepared to back up the numbers if requested.