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Tuesday, March 13th 2012, 4:01am

Alternate History Navies (Minor Powers)

This is the thread for the minor navies of my alternate history game. Since the Americas are so different in the timeline, Spain still has an Empire, and the Qing are somewhat more powerful, I figured that it would be best for the South American dreadnought race to basically be an American dreadnought race with all the various powers competing against each other. I have the definition of ships from the Stockholm Naval Treaty included, but none of these countries are signatories to it. With this list the Ottomans and Italians have the ships they would have circa 1920, while the others will basically have to go through the dreadnought race.

Here is the link to the other thread with more information:
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?si…8422#post118422

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Battleships
Battleships (defined as a ship with a standard tonnage greater than 27,500 long tons and an armament of 11 inches or greater) are limited to a standard tonnage of no more than 40,000 long tons, with an armament no greater than 16.5 inches*. No ships with a tonnage or armament exceeding the above limits are to be constructed, sold, or delivered to a foreign power, and all ships built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.

*Exceptions: Signatories may field no more than two ships with a tonnage no greater than 50,000 long tons and an armament no greater than 18 inches.

Italy (nonsignatory):
- RN Dante Alighieri (1913) [Dante Alighieri class] = 19,550 long tons
- RN Leonardo da Vinci (1914) [Conte di Cavour class] = 23,100 long tons
Total: 42,650 long tons

Papal States (nonsignatory):
- RN Conte di Cavour (1915) [Conte di Cavour class] = 23,100 long tons
- RN Giulio Cesare (1914) [Conte di Cavour class] = 23,100 long tons
Total: 46,200 long tons

Netherlands (nonsignatory):
N/A

Spain (nonsignatory):
N/A

Ottoman Empire (nonsignatory):
- HMS Agincourt (1914) [Agincourt class] = 27,500 long tons
- HMS Erin (1914) [Erin class] = 22,780 long tons

Argentina (nonsignatory):
N/A

Brazil (nonsignatory):
N/A

Chile (nonsignatory):
N/A

China (nonsignatory):
N/A

Pacifica (nonsignatory):
N/A

Texas (nonsignatory):
N/A

Mexico (nonsignatory):
N/A

Sweden-Norway (nonsignatory):
N/A

Greece (nonsignatory):
N/A

Bulgaria (nonsignatory):
N/A

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Battlecruisers
Battlecruisers (defined as a ship with a standard tonnage greater than 27,500 long tons, an armament of 11 inches or greater, and a top speed no less than 25 knots) are limited to a standard tonnage of no more than 40,000 long tons, with an armament no greater than 16.5 inches, and a top speed no less than 25 knots*. No ships with a tonnage or armament exceeding the above limits are to be constructed, sold, or delivered to a foreign power, and all ships built for foreign customers or on speculation must be announced to treaty signatories within at least 30 days of the ships being laid down. Ships may exceed their tonnage limit by 10% in future overhauls, with such additions taking place no less than 15 years after entering service and not counting against tonnage limits.

*Exceptions: Signatories may field no more than two ships with a tonnage no greater than 50,000 long tons, an armament no greater than 16.5 inches, and a top speed no less than 25 knots.

Ottoman Empire (nonsignatory):
- SMS Goeben (1912) [Moltke class] = 25,000 long tons

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Delta Force" (Mar 13th 2012, 4:03am)


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Sunday, April 1st 2012, 7:37am

A coastal battleship for Texas, to defend the coastline against the navies of the Confederacy and Mexico.

Quoted

New Mexico, Texas Coastal Battleship laid down 1910

Displacement:
13,879 t light; 14,738 t standard; 17,473 t normal; 19,661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
456.00 ft / 456.00 ft x 88.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
138.99 m / 138.99 m x 26.82 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,600.00lbs / 725.75kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 11,200 lbs / 5,080 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 312.00 ft / 95.10 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 312.00 ft / 95.10 m 27.00 ft / 8.23 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 34,251 shp / 25,551 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 22.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,923 tons

Complement:
759 - 987

Cost:
£1.730 million / $6.919 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,245 tons, 7.1 %
Armour: 4,620 tons, 26.4 %
- Belts: 1,771 tons, 10.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 468 tons, 2.7 %
- Armament: 1,144 tons, 6.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,122 tons, 6.4 %
- Conning Tower: 116 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,415 tons, 8.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,598 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,594 tons, 20.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23,113 lbs / 10,484 Kg = 16.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
Metacentric height 7.1 ft / 2.2 m
Roll period: 13.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.635
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.35 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Stern: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Average freeboard: 17.84 ft / 5.44 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.3 %
Waterplane Area: 30,319 Square feet or 2,817 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 796 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.18
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


And a Texan battleship, to defend Texan shipping:

Quoted

Texas 10 Gun BB, Texas Battleship laid down 1914

Displacement:
22,667 t light; 24,132 t standard; 26,114 t normal; 27,699 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
580.00 ft / 580.00 ft x 94.00 ft x 26.40 ft (normal load)
176.78 m / 176.78 m x 28.65 m x 8.05 m

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,600.00lbs / 725.75kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 20,928 lbs / 9,493 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 29.40 ft / 8.96 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 32,914 shp / 24,554 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 2,500nm at 21.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,567 tons

Complement:
1,026 - 1,335

Cost:
£3.667 million / $14.667 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,274 tons, 8.7 %
Armour: 8,178 tons, 31.3 %
- Belts: 3,059 tons, 11.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 653 tons, 2.5 %
- Armament: 2,734 tons, 10.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,524 tons, 5.8 %
- Conning Tower: 209 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 1,268 tons, 4.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,946 tons, 41.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,447 tons, 13.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,925 lbs / 13,574 Kg = 21.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 16.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.89
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.635
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.17 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (17.00 ft / 5.18 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Stern: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Average freeboard: 17.84 ft / 5.44 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.0 %
Waterplane Area: 41,193 Square feet or 3,827 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 977 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.44
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily